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Because war saves lives in the long run, unlike abortion, which just kills in long run and short run. The men who fought in the American Revolution, in WWII, they all were protecting us, our freedoms. With them, you and I may not have even be here; same goes for our mothers. Abortion kills a perfectly innocent child, while war causes the death of not-so-innocent people, in most cases.
There is a difference between the death of war and the death in abortion: The citizen who fought and died in the war lived a life (good or bad) and had a chance. The baby, which I'd like to remind some people we all once were  , never got a chance. They did nothing wrong, yet they were killed.
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Well I can agree with most of that on war though I would amend that with war the innocent die more often than we'd all probably like (note that I am by no means suggesting that anyone here is unaware of this fact, I just feel that the death of innocent people needs to be mentioned more fully). Fire Bombing of Tokyo, Dresden, the A-Bomb, Sherman's March to the Sea in the Civil War etc. But further discussion of this would probably be more suited to a theory on war philosophy class so I'll leave it with that.
Back on abortion: yes it always "kills" (either killing an already existing human or killing what was the potential for a human depending on which definition you choose) but sometimes it can save lives such as when the mother may die without an abortion, so by my reckoning its not all together evil as you might suggest.
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Yes, I am. Like it or not, most of the women getting the abortions are doing it on our money; whether it be that there are on welfare supported insurance, or they are getting it in a public hospital. I don't feel comfortable allowing a murder to take place with the money that should be used to help, not kill. Also, private insurance is different. If you pay for your coverage, fine. But, I also wouldn't want to be covered by a company that covers it. |
fine by me with not having Federal Health Plans cover abortion, though I would say a state has the right to decide whether or not abortion is covered in any state health care plan, same goes for private insurance.
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It's funny-someone's "right" only become important when it's questioned, not when it's just there. That child has rights like we do; they started when when we were made, and end when we die. That women has every right to have the baby or not. I, personally, feel that there's not reason to kill it. Like I said, adoptions are always possible. Nothing that is made is made by mistake; not you, not me, and not that child. |
The fundamental question here is determining whose right supersedes whose. Obviously you have the opinion that the child's right does, which is fine, I just happen to believe the mothers right supersedes the child's. This issue of course is probably one that the greatest philosophers of all time could in all likelihood debate till the end of time and never get an answer to so since I'm not one of those great philosophers, much less the one who knows the one true answer, I'll leave it at that rather than start lying trying to argue that I am privy to the one true answer to this question.
I do however take issue that nothing is made by mistake. Again I'll cite that rape would be a case where something was made by a "mistake" of sorts, at least on the part of the mother. I have a feeling though that I could debate the issue of abortion in the sole case of a rape victim with you till I was blue in the face and still end up saying in essence the same things I am right now.
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