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How do you like FOTJ so far?
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Which would also have made Anakin the one who's head went on the metaphorical character chopping block and he might've become Caedus, so ya...
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The version of the story I heard was Anakin was killed of(instead of Jacen) because GL didn't want confusion with the Anakin of the prequels. Maybe I misremember, but that's how I recall it. I could swear I read something where the authors said Jacen was originally supposed to go.


GL didn't decide who would die, he just said that Anakin couldn't be the big hero. The original plan was this:

In Vector Prime, Luke - who would have had several children with Mara by then - dies and Jacen becomes the leader of the Jedi. Apparently Chewbacca survives. In Star by Star Jacen dies and Anakin becomes the central character.


in the back of The Unifying Force Shelly Shapiro states of GLs role:

I would characterize his role as limited but important. He's the one who said the alien invaders could not be dark side Force-users, that we couldn't kill Luke, that we had to kill Anakin instead of Jacen (we had originally planed it the other way around.) Other then that he occasionally answered some basic questions for us, but that was rare.


Note: that we had to kill Anakin instead of Jacen (we had originally planed it the other way around.)

And this was due to his feeling that people would confuse Anakin Skywalker with Anakin Solo. (I find it funny - is this a sign he feared the EU might have more people knowing Anakin Solo... Kill the threat! You will like GL's Anakin more! Laughing)
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illogicalRogue2 wrote:
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The version of the story I heard was Anakin was killed of(instead of Jacen) because GL didn't want confusion with the Anakin of the prequels. Maybe I misremember, but that's how I recall it. I could swear I read something where the authors said Jacen was originally supposed to go.


GL didn't decide who would die, he just said that Anakin couldn't be the big hero. The original plan was this:

In Vector Prime, Luke - who would have had several children with Mara by then - dies and Jacen becomes the leader of the Jedi. Apparently Chewbacca survives. In Star by Star Jacen dies and Anakin becomes the central character.


in the back of The Unifying Force Shelly Shapiro states of GLs role:

I would characterize his role as limited but important. He's the one who said the alien invaders could not be dark side Force-users, that we couldn't kill Luke, that we had to kill Anakin instead of Jacen (we had originally planed it the other way around.) Other then that he occasionally answered some basic questions for us, but that was rare.


Note: that we had to kill Anakin instead of Jacen (we had originally planed it the other way around.)

And this was due to his feeling that people would confuse Anakin Skywalker with Anakin Solo. (I find it funny - is this a sign he feared the EU might have more people knowing Anakin Solo... Kill the threat! You will like GL's Anakin more! Laughing)



Thanks IR, that's what I was remembering. Don't know what that has to do with luke having several children and being killed off in VP.


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Wow, that's even harsher than the real NJO. Shocked
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I think the Luke having several children and dying in VP was actually part of the Dark Horse invasion story that was planned and that Del Rey stole (hence the years of bad blood). Lucas actually told them they couldn't kill Luke. I think he kind of wants him to never die...
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Caedus_16 wrote:
I think the Luke having several children and dying in VP was actually part of the Dark Horse invasion story that was planned and that Del Rey stole (hence the years of bad blood). Lucas actually told them they couldn't kill Luke. I think he kind of wants him to never die...


DR and Lucas exchanged a list of characters and the Big Three were those that GL ordered could not be killed. Thus Luke lived. GL didn't order them to kill Anakin, DR was set to kill one Solo boy and Anakin couldn't be the hero according to GL, so DR killed him.

Luke was planned to have children with Mara by VP, but the final nail on the coffin of the little-Skywalkers-never-to-be was Salvatore, who said that he didn't want to write about little kids, so off they went into the limbo and eventually (and sadly) we got the replacement in Ben.


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This series has humanized Tahiri to the point that I like her as a character now, so as long as they don't kill her off, that's a pretty good pay off. I'd certainly enjoy reading other books with her as one of the main characters now.

I'm still on the fence with Ben though. He's bearable, but I certainly wouldn't choose him for future stories, even though that's an impossibility. Of course, I didn't really like Luke until he hooked up with Mara because I thought Mara brought out a little bit more of Luke's bad side, so maybe Vestara can do the same for Ben. I just can't get behind a goody goody character. Laughing


Yes, Tahiri, for me, has always been a character in limbo. In this series, I like that she's coming to terms with everything, moving on with her life (and am loving her being a no nonsense bounty hunter). If they killed her off, or worse, made her a Jedi or Sith, it would be a waste of character potential.

And I like Ben. Especially how Allston writes his rapport with Luke. Reminds me of my dad and I. Like a few days ago, we went up town and, passing a kid's toy shop, I asked him if he wanted to go in and get a toy - I meant for my wee niece, but didn't say that- and he said, 'nah, I've got enough toys already.' And when he warned my niece, when walking through a small tunnel, of the strong headwind, I pretended that I was walking into a full gale and eventually pretended to be blown over backwards. That sort of thing, with Ben being a smart-alec, makes me warm to him.
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She had such potential to be a really great character and they didn't take advantage of it.


Ha! They ruined the potential of nearly every character in that generation. Anakin, Jaina, Jacen, Tahiri, Raynar, Lowbacca, Tenel Ka, etc. [/quote]

Didn't Lucas decree that there are to be no more Wookie Jedi, and that's why we haven't seen him since DN? But we've got Raynar back, at least.

Sorry, I'm still catching up!
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Lucas did say no more Wookie Jedi, but I don't think that's why we haven't seen much of Lowie. It seems like there was this vendetta against the YJK characters; either they disappeared, were killed off or left the Jedi Order. The authors finally seemed to have remembered there isn't going to be much of a Jedi Order left if they keep this up.


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Time for a Wookiee Sith. "Hey George, you forgot to mention that one." Laughing

And I'm betting Lowbacca gets page time in the next FOTJ book. It's almost a guarantee. He's the only YJK living who hasn't gotten his page time yet, other than Tenel Ka who is also guaranteed to get some page time, but I can't remember if the rumors were indicating she shows up in Ascension or Conviction.
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Cerrinea wrote:
Lucas did say no more Wookie Jedi, but I don't think that's why we haven't seen much of Lowie. It seems like there was this vendetta against the YJK characters; either they disappeared, were killed off or left the Jedi Order. The authors finally seemed to have remembered there isn't going to be much of a Jedi Order left if they keep this up.

Seriously? Why?

An why the heck didn't Lucas care about the EU until now?
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You'd have to ask Lucas, and that came down a long time ago, back in the Bantam days. It's a misconception that Lucas is just now turning his attention to the EU.


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Hmm. Okay. *shrugs*
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Note: that we had to kill Anakin instead of Jacen (we had originally planed it the other way around.)

And this was due to his feeling that people would confuse Anakin Skywalker with Anakin Solo.


Okay just to clarify things here, the source of that idea is James Luceno and here's the exact quote from the interview.

"Several times at Skywalker Ranch, George was sitting almost within arm's reach, but I never got to speak with him. But he played a major role in giving shape to the NJO by commenting extensively on the early version of the five-year story arc, as Lucy and Shelly have said. His objection to Anakin Solo being the main series protagonist was, I think, possibly confusion with Anakin Skywalker in the prequel trilogy of movies."

This is Luceno's assumption but somehow this has been taken as gospel by the fans.


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Yeah, I remember reading that and I kind of doubt whether Lucas vetoed Anakin Solo taking the figurative Jedi baton from Luke because of possible confusion with Anakin Skywalker. There must of been more to it than that and I want to know the whole story.
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