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Maybe it's a Skywalker curse. Luke fell for every girl he met, even his sister Laughing


Eh, true. Ick. Wink *gasp* The Skywalker line must not be tainted! The horror! Personally, I think they should kill Vestara somewhere along in line.



See I think having some Sith in the blood line makes Cade a more complex character. Like double the demons. For the Skywalkers that came from Ben and Vestara. (if they ever go there)

Ah, but if there is a bunch of Sith in his bloodline, it won't be as much of a punch in the gut when Cade becomes a disappointment. Wink
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Well as far as Ahsoka getting no mention in ROTS and that being the reason she has to go, last time I watched ROTS, Grievous thought he was fighting Obi-Wan for the first time onboard his flag ship.
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Vey true, DS.
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Reepicheep wrote:
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Queen Padmè Skywalker wrote:
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Maybe it's a Skywalker curse. Luke fell for every girl he met, even his sister Laughing


Eh, true. Ick. Wink *gasp* The Skywalker line must not be tainted! The horror! Personally, I think they should kill Vestara somewhere along in line.



See I think having some Sith in the blood line makes Cade a more complex character. Like double the demons. For the Skywalkers that came from Ben and Vestara. (if they ever go there)

Ah, but if there is a bunch of Sith in his bloodline, it won't be as much of a punch in the gut when Cade becomes a disappointment. Wink


Yeah, but Vestara doesn't quite make for a 'bunch of Sith in his bloodline" just enough to make things interesting.

I often see the Sith use of the Dark Side as similar to alcoholics. How alcoholism can be generational.
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Okay, maybe not Sith per se, but (former) shadowy figures in general. Luke had the former Emperor's Hand, Kol had an Imperial agent and now Ben, potentially, has a Sith.
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Reepicheep wrote:
Okay, maybe not Sith per se, but (former) shadowy figures in general. Luke had the former Emperor's Hand, Kol had an Imperial agent and now Ben, potentially, has a Sith.



Hmmm it brings us to the question: does heritage matter? Or does it only matter in the characters "minds" and thus they themselves give meaning to their heritage?

I'm thinking of how Anakin Solo feared his own fall to the DS because of his Grandfather and namesake, and How Jacen too began to relate to his Grandfather.

So do you think everyone in the SWU is born with a clean slate, or does blood matter?

I'd have to say blood doesn't matter. That the environment raised would be biggest factor. But then to some degrees we know that the Chosen One's bloodline seems to be powerful, and that Anakin's descendants have inherited some of that power.... or at the least a destiny.
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Bloodline matters to a degree. I'm thinking genetic here. Certain traits and habits are passed through genes (I'm talking more than just the picking your nose gene), but I think it's more a case of the environment. Having Vader as your granddaddy has to play on your mind somewhat, and it must affect your decisions. As well, you have a lot to live up to, being part of the Skywalker clan, as well as the Solo clan. But if you mean to say that heritage doesn't matter, and thus they're all born with a clean slate, then no. I don't think anyone's born with a clean slate. Take the Solo kids, even as they were born so much was placed on their shoulders. Luke, and others I'm sure, had desired for them to carry on the Jedi Legacy. Palpatine had designs on Anakin - using him as his body.

Sorry to take away from that particular discussion. I have a question about something else. It's a small one, so it won't take away from this one for long. It's about the use of BBY and ABY in universe. I think it was the EU Review that did a segment on this, with a listener saying it makes more sense for it to be BBE and ABE (Before Battle of Endor and After Battle of Endor), and said, after that battle, there's no real reason to use the Yavin system, because after Endor it became less significant. However, I just realised the 0 BBY/ABY is exactly 1,000 after the Ruusan Reformation. Effectively 1,000 ARR. Perhaps they chose to have the dates begin there so that people, who would be used to thinking of a certain year, say, 1002 ARR as '02, they'd still think that year, and it'd be correct in the ABY system, rather than having to remember to take away five years from the date they're used to with the ABE system. What do you think?
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Seems sensible.

As for genetics, we do know that when Force users have kids, their kids tend to have the Force as well, so there has to be something in the genes.
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I'm not saying that it Cade having shadowy figures in his background makes it less likely for him to fall, it's just that it's a shock for the galaxy to see a Skywalker fall like Cade does. At this point, I don't see why the galaxy would be so shocked. Neutral
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I'm thinking of how Anakin Solo feared his own fall to the DS because of his Grandfather and namesake,


Actually a lot of that fear had to do with Palpatine touching Anakin while he was in Leia's womb. Anakin was touched powerfully by the Dark Side before birth so his fear had a more concrete base than just being Vader's grandson. I think his heritage coupled with his experience actually made him stronger in resisting the dark side.
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Cerrinea wrote:
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I'm thinking of how Anakin Solo feared his own fall to the DS because of his Grandfather and namesake,


Actually a lot of that fear had to do with Palpatine touching Anakin while he was in Leia's womb. Anakin was touched powerfully by the Dark Side before birth so his fear had a more concrete base than just being Vader's grandson. I think his heritage coupled with his experience actually made him stronger in resisting the dark side.


So then - would you say that it could work either way then depending on the life factors involved? That in Anakin Solo's case the fear of his following kept him on the path of Light?
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Well as far as Ahsoka getting no mention in ROTS and that being the reason she has to go, last time I watched ROTS, Grievous thought he was fighting Obi-Wan for the first time onboard his flag ship.


You mean Anakin, which TCW has maintained? There's nothing about him fighting Obi-Wan for the first time. "Ahh, General Kenobi, the negotiator."

He expresses some familiarity with Obi-Wan, while treating Anakin as someone he never met (and vice-versa).

In Episode I, Nute Gunray is asked if he's ever encountered a Jedi Knight before, to which he says no. Yet he deals with them quite extensively in SW Republic's Stark Hyperspace War story arc, which is a few years before Episode I.



I think it's fair game for Anakin and Grievous to meet if they're both humiliated by the experience so not to acknowledge it or both forget it happened!


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Yeah it was one or the other, couldn't remember which.
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So then - would you say that it could work either way then depending on the life factors involved? That in Anakin Solo's case the fear of his following kept him on the path of Light?


That's exactly what I think. I think Anakin's experience made him very vigilant about the dark side. But I also think there was a strength in Anakin (that reminds me of Luke) that Jacen never possessed. Faced with the same experience with Lumiya, I believe Anakin would have found another (and better) way to deal with it.
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So then - would you say that it could work either way then depending on the life factors involved? That in Anakin Solo's case the fear of his following kept him on the path of Light?


That's exactly what I think. I think Anakin's experience made him very vigilant about the dark side. But I also think there was a strength in Anakin (that reminds me of Luke) that Jacen never possessed. Faced with the same experience with Lumiya, I believe Anakin would have found another (and better) way to deal with it.


I think if they kept the original plan and Anakin fulfilled Jacen's role in the NJO with Jacen dying, the rehashing of the prequels that is Legacy of the Force would have been all the more obvious, perhaps resulting in the writers from not even attempting it and keeping the Legacy of the Force storyline in the Old Republic era as it originally was intended to be.

I think Jacen's fall was so out of character I don't try to reconcile it with what we're presented.


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