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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:27 am
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Life Is The Path Master Joined: 10 Sep 2010 Posts: 3433 Location: In a galaxy far, far - No, I'm behind you! Got you! Boo! Lord Ree'dius wrote: Thanks for clearing that up, OMB. In that case I want to compliment Taral-DLOS on his excellent piece on superweapons. What I loved to see was that the old prejudice about the use of superweapons in the Bantam era is finally defunct. I always thought that was undeserved and love to see this in an actual graph! The only thing I felt that shouldn't have been on the list was the Baffor tree pollen. Which was never really implemented as a weapon and was destroyed by the Vong before the New Republic could use it against them. And even if the New Republic would have used it as a weapon I think I wouldn't really have qualified as a superweapon. It was easily enough overcome by Tsavong Lah at Ithor when he let his warriors wear dead crab armor. The disabling of the enemies battle armors is more of a biological sabotage act where you take an opponents edge away instead of really incapacitating them. This should however be taken as just a minor critique Not necessarily. The piece (Written very admirably. Well done, Andrew!) covers unused superweapons, too. While it wasn't used to disastrous effect, it did have the capacity to be used as such. But it did, or would have, been used to kill living beings - that of the armour - but even then, as stated in the beginning, a WMD is classed as affecting the environments, biosphere, and not just lives. I have a question: The graph, if I remember rightly, shows more than one superweapon being used by criminals, yet the only one stated is the Darksabre. What others were there? _________________ I am a Star Wars fan. That doesn't mean that I hate or love Jar Jar. That doesn't mean I hate or love Lucas, or agree or disagree 100% with him. That doesn't mean I prefer the PT over the OT, or vice versa. That doesn't mean I hate the EU, or even love all of it. These are not prerequisites. Being a man is not a prerequisite. Being a geek is not a prerequisite. The only prerequisite is that I love something about Star Wars. I am a Star Wars fan.

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:22 am
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Lord Ree'dius Master Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Posts: 700 Location: The Unknown Regions Life Is The Path wrote: While it wasn't used to disastrous effect, it did have the capacity to be used as such. Did it? I think that's open to debate. IMO the implimentation of the pollen would have been just a minor trick of the new republic. Hardly qualifying it as a WMD or a superweapon. The pollen didn't affect anything besides the Vonduun Crab armor, right? _________________ "Strong you are with the dark side, young one. But not that strong. Still much to learn, you have. Surrender, you should." "You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." http://www.reedius.deviantart.com/

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 8:21 am
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Taral-DLOS EUC Staff Joined: 23 Nov 2010 Posts: 1260 Location: Ontario, Canada RE: Vonduun armor and Bafforr pollen If I recall correctly, the Bafforr pollen didn't just disable the armor, but specifically cause such an allergic reaction that they might puff up and kill the Vong within it. Alternatively, a Vong in damaged armor would be slower, and much easier a target for NR blasters. Last, I'll point out that biological weapons don't need to kill a population. There was an incident in 1984 in the US (Oregon I think) where a cult poisoned a number of salad bars with Salmonella, hoping to make people sick and keep them at home on election day. No intent to kill, but same idea. In World Wars I and II, weapons were conceived that would kill crops or food animals or worker animals (like horses) to slow the pace of the military. RE: Criminals I counted a total of seven weapons used by "Criminals", and certainly the Darksaber was among them. But in fairness I expanded the word Criminals to include terrorists and other beings not associated with the main governments. The six "Criminal" Superweapons (counting chronologically from 1977) were: 1. Trigon One (Fromm Gang, from the Droids cartoon) 2. Centerpoint Station (Corellian insurrectionists, from the Corellian Trilogy) 3. Darksaber (Durga the Hutt, from the novel Darksaber) 4. Emperor's Plague (developed by the Empire, but used by the Diversity Aliance, from the Young Jedi Knights books) 5. Infant of Shaa (to be used by the terrorist General Khorda, in the graphic novels Jango Fett and Zam Wesell) 6. Trihexalon (to be used by the terrorist Sabaoth Squadron, in the game Jedi Starfighter). You could, in theory, count a seventh, the Death Seed, as it was weaponized by Seti Ashgad and possibly in league with Loronar Corporation, but to my knowledge they were working with the Empire at the time. _________________ It was the year of fire… the year of destruction… the year we took back what was ours. It was the year of rebirth… the year of great sadness… the year of pain… and the year of joy. It was a new age. It was the end of history. It was the year everything changed. The year is 2261. The place: Babylon 5.

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 8:29 am
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Lord Ree'dius Master Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Posts: 700 Location: The Unknown Regions Taral-DLOS wrote: RE: Vonduun armor and Bafforr pollen If I recall correctly, the Bafforr pollen didn't just disable the armor, but specifically cause such an allergic reaction that they might puff up and kill the Vong within it. Alternatively, a Vong in damaged armor would be slower, and much easier a target for NR blasters. Last, I'll point out that biological weapons don't need to kill a population. I appreciate that and totally agree that it is a bio-weapon, but to call it a superweapon or WMD is another thing IMO. _________________ "Strong you are with the dark side, young one. But not that strong. Still much to learn, you have. Surrender, you should." "You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." http://www.reedius.deviantart.com/

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 9:22 am
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Cerrinea Master Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 1417 Guys, the Baffor pollen was the source of Agent Red -- so yes a WMD. _________________ Roqoo Depot co-founder.

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 11:04 am
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Life Is The Path Master Joined: 10 Sep 2010 Posts: 3433 Location: In a galaxy far, far - No, I'm behind you! Got you! Boo! Taral-DLOS wrote: RE: Vonduun armor and Bafforr pollen If I recall correctly, the Bafforr pollen didn't just disable the armor, but specifically cause such an allergic reaction that they might puff up and kill the Vong within it. Alternatively, a Vong in damaged armor would be slower, and much easier a target for NR blasters. Last, I'll point out that biological weapons don't need to kill a population. There was an incident in 1984 in the US (Oregon I think) where a cult poisoned a number of salad bars with Salmonella, hoping to make people sick and keep them at home on election day. No intent to kill, but same idea. In World Wars I and II, weapons were conceived that would kill crops or food animals or worker animals (like horses) to slow the pace of the military. RE: Criminals I counted a total of seven weapons used by "Criminals", and certainly the Darksaber was among them. But in fairness I expanded the word Criminals to include terrorists and other beings not associated with the main governments. The six "Criminal" Superweapons (counting chronologically from 1977) were: 1. Trigon One (Fromm Gang, from the Droids cartoon) 2. Centerpoint Station (Corellian insurrectionists, from the Corellian Trilogy) 3. Darksaber (Durga the Hutt, from the novel Darksaber) 4. Emperor's Plague (developed by the Empire, but used by the Diversity Aliance, from the Young Jedi Knights books) 5. Infant of Shaa (to be used by the terrorist General Khorda, in the graphic novels Jango Fett and Zam Wesell) 6. Trihexalon (to be used by the terrorist Sabaoth Squadron, in the game Jedi Starfighter). You could, in theory, count a seventh, the Death Seed, as it was weaponized by Seti Ashgad and possibly in league with Loronar Corporation, but to my knowledge they were working with the Empire at the time. Ah. Yes, I remember you mentioning those, but I didn't count them as criminal organizations when I read them. _________________ I am a Star Wars fan. That doesn't mean that I hate or love Jar Jar. That doesn't mean I hate or love Lucas, or agree or disagree 100% with him. That doesn't mean I prefer the PT over the OT, or vice versa. That doesn't mean I hate the EU, or even love all of it. These are not prerequisites. Being a man is not a prerequisite. Being a geek is not a prerequisite. The only prerequisite is that I love something about Star Wars. I am a Star Wars fan.

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 12:24 pm
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Taral-DLOS EUC Staff Joined: 23 Nov 2010 Posts: 1260 Location: Ontario, Canada Cerrinea wrote: Guys, the Baffor pollen was the source of Agent Red -- so yes a WMD. I remembered that too, but didn't include it in the column because Wookieepedia didn't corroborate it. And I figured to include bioweapons as WMDs in general because that's how they're usually defined in real life (even though, personally, Weapon of Mass Terror or Mass Panic is more appropriate). Anthrax is a WMD, but the attacks didn't kill very or hurt very many people directly. So I agree that the term is imprecise, but that's how they're defined. _________________ It was the year of fire… the year of destruction… the year we took back what was ours. It was the year of rebirth… the year of great sadness… the year of pain… and the year of joy. It was a new age. It was the end of history. It was the year everything changed. The year is 2261. The place: Babylon 5.

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 12:27 pm
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Cerrinea Master Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 1417 Taral-DLOS wrote: Cerrinea wrote: Guys, the Baffor pollen was the source of Agent Red -- so yes a WMD. I remembered that too, but didn't include it in the column because Wookieepedia didn't corroborate it. Well, that's Wookie's screw up since it's in the NJO series in which case it's canon. _________________ Roqoo Depot co-founder.

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 1:03 pm
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Lord Ree'dius Master Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Posts: 700 Location: The Unknown Regions Cerrinea wrote: Guys, the Baffor pollen was the source of Agent Red -- so yes a WMD. Agent Red? You're confused with Agent Orange I think? _________________ "Strong you are with the dark side, young one. But not that strong. Still much to learn, you have. Surrender, you should." "You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." http://www.reedius.deviantart.com/

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 1:41 pm
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Taral-DLOS EUC Staff Joined: 23 Nov 2010 Posts: 1260 Location: Ontario, Canada I assume you meant "Alpha Red", which was in the column post. It also led to Omega Red, which was developed by Darth Maladi (note: I have not yet read all my issues of Legacy: War, so in case it gets developed further, no spoilers please). _________________ It was the year of fire… the year of destruction… the year we took back what was ours. It was the year of rebirth… the year of great sadness… the year of pain… and the year of joy. It was a new age. It was the end of history. It was the year everything changed. The year is 2261. The place: Babylon 5.

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 1:42 pm
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Cerrinea Master Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 1417 Yeah, I meant Alpha Red. I'm really bad at remembering names. It's a brain glitch. I also don't know about the Legacy thing so I can't spoil you on that one. _________________ Roqoo Depot co-founder.

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:34 am
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Taral-DLOS EUC Staff Joined: 23 Nov 2010 Posts: 1260 Location: Ontario, Canada I've got next Mondays Star Wars Dissection delivered, but I'm looking towards the next one. I have an idea, but want to know if anyone has anything else to add to it. When researching for the May 23 column, I discovered something interesting: the actual number of books/comics/films/video games that depict the Battle of Yavin and the Battle of Hoth. I'd like to take a look at more such battles or events, and see exactly how many depictions of each there were, and what differences there are between each portrayal. So far, I'm thinking of the following: 1- Battle of the Grassy Plains 2- Battle of Geonosis 3- Battle of Utapau 4- Theft of the Death Star Plans 5- Battle of Yavin 6- Battle of Hoth 7- Battle of Endor I'd also like to do one from The Clone Wars, possibly either Christophsis or Teth. And it's possible that other battles or duels or incidents might be appropriate to review as well. I'd like your opinions! _________________ It was the year of fire… the year of destruction… the year we took back what was ours. It was the year of rebirth… the year of great sadness… the year of pain… and the year of joy. It was a new age. It was the end of history. It was the year everything changed. The year is 2261. The place: Babylon 5.

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:48 am
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wookie_inked Knight Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 397 Location: western NY Battle of the Grassy Plains? that's a spectacularly boring name for a battle in the Star Wars universe... what planet was that even fought on?

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:08 am
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Lord Ree'dius Master Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Posts: 700 Location: The Unknown Regions wookie_inked wrote: Battle of the Grassy Plains? that's a spectacularly boring name for a battle in the Star Wars universe... what planet was that even fought on? What about Naboo () @ Taral-DLOS: I Think you could also include the Battle of Theed if you include the Battle of the Grassy Plains. And maybe even the Battle of Mon Calamari from Dark Empire, which was also portrait in one of the Rogue Squadron Games IIRC. _________________ "Strong you are with the dark side, young one. But not that strong. Still much to learn, you have. Surrender, you should." "You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." http://www.reedius.deviantart.com/

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:15 am
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wookie_inked Knight Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 397 Location: western NY geez they couldn't have just given a name to those plains besides "Grassy"? Grassy Plains made me figure it was Dantooine or Muun...

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