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Thanks!

On a completely unrelated note: I thought the Official Site forums were supposed to be down by now? I even made a comment about its death on the 29th. Did they change their mind?

Sorry for bringing it up here, but I couldn't think where it went best.
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Taral-DLOS wrote:
Thanks!

On a completely unrelated note: I thought the Official Site forums were supposed to be down by now? I even made a comment about its death on the 29th. Did they change their mind?

Sorry for bringing it up here, but I couldn't think where it went best.


I too am curious. You have to wonder if the forums closing is just a lack of people to do the work. And like closing it, no one's around to do it?

(Just pondering that one. I've no real idea, but have said good bye a few times. Then see more posts, and wonder if they are making up for the days the site was down? Laughing
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I never joined the the official site forums, I was just surprised to find out they're shutting down.


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I just listened to The Bothan Report #12 and wanted to offer a brief comment on the Sith Force Ghosts (first subject discussed):

I'm actually very glad they cut the Revan/Bane Sith Force Ghosts from the show. I personally believe it would have made no sense.

From an EU standpoint: yes, there have been Sith Lords as Force Ghosts. That being said, they were very much limited in what they could do. Their spirits were tied directly to their tombs (or some other important location), and they could not venture away from them. They could only affect those who came near, and required significant energy to manifest in any other way.

Exar Kun was limited to the temple in which he died. He manipulated and corrupted several of Luke's students, but they were all fairly close by. Marka Ragnos required the use of his scepter (imbued with Force energy) to revive him. Ajunta Pall was forced to stay near is tomb as well. Karness Muur was stuck in his talisman. The list goes on.

The other reason I don't think this would've worked is how both Revan and Bane met their fates. When Revan ultimately died, he was canonically of the Light Side (unless this will change in the upcoming The Old Republic: Revan). When Bane died, his spirit essentially dissolved, and to make matters worse, he'd already shed his Orbalisk armour by the time of his death (his appearance would've been in armour).

The only explanation I could see is if the Dark Side could simply manifest itself in the form of two of its greatest Sith Lords, rather than them being Force Ghosts. Something akin to The First in the last season of Buffy, who could show themselves as anyone who died, even if they'd been revived since, like Buffy or Warren (seen still living, sans skin, in the canon Season 8 comics).

Anyways, that's my take on it.

Thanks again for a great show!
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The orbalisk armour does throw me for a loop. But then again, any type of clothes on a ghost throws me for a loop. The clothes didn't die, after all!

But I look at it like this: That the planet, being a nexus of Force energy, enabled the spirits of Bane and Revan and Qui Gon to manifest themselves, whereas they wouldn't normally be able to. So, in effect, I don't think Sith Spirits are so much tied to their bodies. I think they can roam the galaxy all they want, but that the connection to the physical plane is strongest around their dead bodies. Or, it could be, that their burial mounds increase and focus Force energy, thus enabling them to do so.
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I'm fine with them being cut from the episode 2


so much about that trilogy already didn't make sense and just brought up many more questions than were answered, Revan and Bane would have just added to the head scratching lack of rationale


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Taral-DLOS wrote:
I just listened to The Bothan Report #12 and wanted to offer a brief comment on the Sith Force Ghosts (first subject discussed):

I'm actually very glad they cut the Revan/Bane Sith Force Ghosts from the show. I personally believe it would have made no sense.

From an EU standpoint: yes, there have been Sith Lords as Force Ghosts. That being said, they were very much limited in what they could do. Their spirits were tied directly to their tombs (or some other important location), and they could not venture away from them. They could only affect those who came near, and required significant energy to manifest in any other way.

Exar Kun was limited to the temple in which he died. He manipulated and corrupted several of Luke's students, but they were all fairly close by. Marka Ragnos required the use of his scepter (imbued with Force energy) to revive him. Ajunta Pall was forced to stay near is tomb as well. Karness Muur was stuck in his talisman. The list goes on.

The other reason I don't think this would've worked is how both Revan and Bane met their fates. When Revan ultimately died, he was canonically of the Light Side (unless this will change in the upcoming The Old Republic: Revan). When Bane died, his spirit essentially dissolved, and to make matters worse, he'd already shed his Orbalisk armour by the time of his death (his appearance would've been in armour).

The only explanation I could see is if the Dark Side could simply manifest itself in the form of two of its greatest Sith Lords, rather than them being Force Ghosts. Something akin to The First in the last season of Buffy, who could show themselves as anyone who died, even if they'd been revived since, like Buffy or Warren (seen still living, sans skin, in the canon Season 8 comics).

Anyways, that's my take on it.

Thanks again for a great show!


Re: Force Ghosts and Sith- I didn't see Bane or Revan as Ghosts for TCW- Bane had lost the Orblisks before he died- this lead me to believe that these were Holocron gate keepers.
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Just the thought of Sith becoming Force ghosts make my stomach turn.
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So we ask of you Bothans! What do you enjoy?
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A quick thought (unrelated to the link).

On the podcast you guys have mentioned wanting a sound bite of a Bothan being killed, for random use throughout the show (where a Wilhelm Scream might go, for example).

Has anyone looked into the sound files for Battlefront II or Empire at War?

In Battlefront II, the Rebel Alliance Commander unit was a Bothan. He had a sound if he was fragged.

In Empire at War, there was a mission in the Imperial campaign where the Emperor personally slaughters a bunch of Bothans.

Now, it's possible that these Bothans didn't have a unique sound (a la BothanDied.mp3) and just used a generic death-scream (a la PlayerDeath.mp3). But I don't know how to look in game files for that sort of thing. It might be worth an investigation if you want that sound bite.

Just a random thought.
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Taral-DLOS wrote:
A quick thought (unrelated to the link).

On the podcast you guys have mentioned wanting a sound bite of a Bothan being killed, for random use throughout the show (where a Wilhelm Scream might go, for example).

Has anyone looked into the sound files for Battlefront II or Empire at War?

In Battlefront II, the Rebel Alliance Commander unit was a Bothan. He had a sound if he was fragged.

In Empire at War, there was a mission in the Imperial campaign where the Emperor personally slaughters a bunch of Bothans.

Now, it's possible that these Bothans didn't have a unique sound (a la BothanDied.mp3) and just used a generic death-scream (a la PlayerDeath.mp3). But I don't know how to look in game files for that sort of thing. It might be worth an investigation if you want that sound bite.

Just a random thought.


Oh Good thoughts! And BattleFront 2 had a Bothan Spy as well. Hmmm... interesting.
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happy birthday, Mark!


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Indeed! Happy Birthday! Hope you had a fantastic day!
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Thanks peeps! It was indeed!
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