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Master Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 1410

In rereading Njoe after LOTF, I found that Jacen's fall was foreshadowed (whether unintentionally or not), which made it plausible. I just think his fall was very badly done. But that's pretty much my entire opinion of LOTF -- badly done.
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Master Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Posts: 1796 Location: Carcosa

Hey, guys! I've an idle wonder that I wanted to get your opinions on.

I'm currently reading Shatterpoint, and one thing I noticed is that Stover is really pushing the '1000 year old Republic' - though he doesn't go out and state that there wasn't a republic before that - he stays to the closely to the canon. But reading that phrase over and over again got me wondering.

I'd always assumed that the 'republic stood for a thousand years' comment in TPM was the accident; that George had really meant 'thousand generations', but I suddenly had the thought that, maybe, it was the other way round. Maybe he had meant to say 'thousand years' in the first instance. What do you reckon? Could it be plausible? Are there external sources and quotes to support it one way or another?
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Well the EU has the Galactic Republic set at around 25,000 years old, hence the 1000 generations line. But after the 1000 year line, they used the Ruusan Reformation to justify it so both could be true. But I'm not sure why they did both other than it simply being a mistake or George changing his mind again.
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I think they have it set up now that the Republic that stood before the Ruusan Reformations was legitimately different. Remember that, during the Dark Ages (2,000-1,000 BBY) the Republic more or less fell, except in the Core. The Republic that rose from the ashes after that conflict was entirely different from the one that preceded it. That lends credence to further mentions by Pre Viszla (in The Mandalore Plot) and Saesee Tiin (in Citadel Rescue).
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Master Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 1410

It's also in the last Bane book. The idea of the Ruusan Reformations is introduced there at the end. Since there were sweeping reformations in the Republic system and the Jedi it makes sense to delineate the two "different" republics as pre and post reformation.
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Thanks for your replies; however, I would like to point out that you've misunderstood my question Razz

. I know the in universe canon; that's not what I was questioning.

I was questioning whether or not Lucas had meant for the Old Republic to always be a thousand years old, and that the 'thousand generations' line was the actual slip up. Or, as Skuls said, it was merely a case of Lucas changing his mind.
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But Life, you're forgetting one aspect: Lucas always had overall creative control over the EU. There are plot lines that could have existed, which Lucas has vetoed, ever since the beginning (note that Zahn wanted the Noghri to be called the Sith, explaining why Vader is the "Dark Lord of the Sith".)

If he meant for the Republic to only be 1,000 years old, he would have vetoed the Tales of the Jedi stories, which took place in 5,000 BBY and 4,000-3980s, yet still featured Jedi and a Republic. He would've probably made them call the Republic something else (Alliance, Confederation, any positive government term would do), establishing that it was roughly 1,000 years before the prequels that a Republic formed.

So yes, the fact that EU material in the ancient era exists at all lends credence to the idea that he originally meant 1,000 generations.
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The year is 2261.
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Master Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 1410

I don't think it really matters actually. Whether it was a slip or intentional, it's been explained.
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Well that was because Obi-Wan said something about a 1000 generations.
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