With or Without the Big 3

Master Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 1410

A conflict between father and son in a Star Wars story. Boy, we've never seen that before.

Actually, I think it's a lot more original to not have a conflict between Ben and Luke. Imo, the whole point is that they do get along and work well together. Ben's grown beyond that and to add a gratuitous conflict (because that's what it would be at this point) would be incredibly repetitious and boring.

Frankly I don't want to see the promise of Ben destroyed like Anakin and Jacen Solo were.
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I suppose you'd say it was to create conflict. Imo it was because each brother needed to learn something.

Anakin learned; Jacen didn't.
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I admit that Luke and Ben aren't great foils for each other, but I don't think father/son conflict is the answer here. That's just beyond repetitious by now and I'd find it more boring than their current relationship.

I think the issue is the authors are playing it too safe with Ben's personality. They should give him a little more of Mara's edge. And add some characters that maybe could be good foils for Luke and Ben. I agree that Vestara isn't filling that bill.
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Knight Joined: 08 Apr 2011 Posts: 300

For once I completely agree with Crash on this. The pair of Luke and Ben is just boring in my opinion for many of the reasons he has already stated.

But the reason I said I would like more conflict between to the two has little to do with that. It has to do with the fact they are traveling in such tight quarters and I've never seen a father and son relationship where there wouldn't be some conflict in that amount of time. During the trip they've argued about two things. Vestara and flow walking. The Vestara conflict is understandable, but it doesn't seem to go past it. That conflict should have spread out more into other things they deal with. Be an underlining pressure that makes simple things into a larger issue. Instead Luke says something that pisses off Ben or Ben says something that annoys Luke and the next scene things are fine.

Now that doesn't mean I want them at each others throat all the time. But from time to time, I'd like to see them disagree on how things should be done. To see some rebellion from Ben, things that he might not have done if Vestara wasn't in the picture. Teenagers are rebellious, even jedi ones. Or at least if we look at Tenal Ka, Jacen, Jania, and the others of their generation.

I hardly ever argue with my parents. I'd be hard placed to even remember an argument. Plus, I don't find teenage arguments very appealing in books. It's something I could do without. The Luke/Ben status in FOTJ is fine by me, and I'd have no qualms with it continuing like that. The sooner Ben matures into a seasoned Jedi, the better.
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Padawan Joined: 17 Oct 2011 Posts: 6 Location: New Mexico

Story. Pure and simple. Despite the fact that Anakin, Padme and Obi Wan were the central characters of the prequels, they weren't the story. It is true that the story chronicled Anakin's descent into the dark side, but the story there wasn't Anakin; it was Darth Vader. No one has nightmares about Anakin Skywalker the petulent child, but Darth Vader is the quintessential Death figure. As a result of that, Anakin's story is not Anakin's story, but the evolution of Vader.

That, in no small way, diminishes the character of Anakin Skywalker. As a result, Padme's influence in the story is diminished as well, and anyone who watches the First Trilogy will end up thinking of her as "Luke's Mom", not "Padme Amidala, former Queen of Naboo."

The Pre-3 are further doomed to back-story mediocrity buy the very existence of Episodes 4-6. Where the prequel's character focus is blurred by the massive energies of foment and rebellion, the energies of foment and rebellion ARE the characters in the earlier-but-later films. Not to mention the fact that Anakin, Padme and Obi Wan spent three films as unwitting dupes in the web of Palpatine. How can they be considered "Heroes" on the same level as Luke, Leia, and Han? They can't. The Big Three are always in control of their own destiny due to what I can only guess is the result of the Emperor's hubris and their own sense of place and purpose in the universe. A place, I might add, that they have to fight and scratch for, but never seems solid until Vader picks up the Emperor and throws him to his doom.

Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa-Solo, and Han Solo will always be bigger because they have always been bigger than Obi Wan, Anakin, and Padme. Crap. Obi Wan, a Jedi, got worked by Jango Fett while in possession of all his faculties. Han effortlessly defeats Boba Fett blind. That fact pretty much sums up my point.
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But a Jedi should be able to cope. Han Solo was still blind, and that trumps all.
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