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  Dancelittleewok
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Speaking of Han, Invasion writer Tom Taylor posted this on his Facebook page:

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Han still shoots first in the new Star Wars Blu-Ray but, afterward, Han now cradles Greedo lovingly and sings him a soft Rodian lullaby as a single CGI tear falls from his face and lands with a barely audible splash on the Cantina floor. It's beautiful.


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And the sound that CGI tear makes-- as it rolls down Solo's face, falls from his stubbled chin, and hangs above Greedo's body for just one single, perfect moment in the air, reflecting Tatooine's harsh desert light across a room of scum and villainy, softening the hardest of hearts and minds--can you hear the sound of that tear? It's almost as if... yes.... a TEAR is crying.
The CGI tear is crying for Greedo.

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Having Vader yell "No! NOOOOOOOOOO!!" wrecks the scene for me. Well, maybe not wrecks but certainly worsens...

I always liked how his conflict was expressed without words or facial expressions. Cool

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You can't get the originals on DVD can you?
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@DLE: I love that Tom Taylor quote. That's hilarious
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Reepicheep wrote:
Having Vader yell "No! NOOOOOOOOOO!!" wrecks the scene for me. Well, maybe not wrecks but certainly worsens...

I always liked how his conflict was expressed without words or facial expressions. Cool

*pats VHS's lovingly*

You can't get the originals on DVD can you?


My DVDs came with both the original and special editions together.
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The added "No... Noooo!" doesn't affect the scene one way or the other for me. Not even slightly.


I'm damn excited for the Saga box set now since I bought the Blu-ray player. It annoys the crap out of me that the release is still 2 frickin' weeks away.


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Reepicheep wrote:
Having Vader yell "No! NOOOOOOOOOO!!" wrecks the scene for me. Well, maybe not wrecks but certainly worsens...

I always liked how his conflict was expressed without words or facial expressions. Cool

*pats VHS's lovingly*

You can't get the originals on DVD can you?


And I thought his conflict looked like he was trying to decide between ham and swiss on rye or wheat. Turning your head back and forth does not reveal much emotional conflict.
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^ But it's amazing the emotion it did reveal. Instead of just having Vader saying how he's feeling or even letting his expressions show it, they made it clear without. It wasn't just Vader looking back and forth, the music also and the way Vader's head tilted added to the emotion of the scene. The face we've all come to dread now, somehow, looks tragic. I was learning about this in my Media Arts class last year. My textbook described how George Lucas conveyed the emotions of Darth Vader, C-3P0 and R2-D2 without expressions and (much of the time) dialogue as a great achievement. Now he's throwing it all away... I just don't get it. Confused

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Reepicheep wrote:
^ But it's amazing the emotion it did reveal.

really?


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Old Master Ben wrote:
Crash: Is the new Han carbonite footage online anywhere? Where did you hear about that change?


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The saga gold set. I've been collecting them from that era and unfortunately I'm missing RotJ but other than that I have the other two old ones. They come with the original theatrical editions.
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Crash Override wrote:
Old Master Ben wrote:
Crash: Is the new Han carbonite footage online anywhere? Where did you hear about that change?


Han released from carbonite

that is freakin' awesome looking! I love the afterglow left behind as Han falls out of whats left of the carbonite block.


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Reepicheep wrote:
^ But it's amazing the emotion it did reveal. Instead of just having Vader saying how he's feeling or even letting his expressions show it, they made it clear without. It wasn't just Vader looking back and forth, the music also and the way Vader's head tilted added to the emotion of the scene. The face we've all come to dread now, somehow, looks tragic. I was learning about this in my Media Arts class last year. My textbook described how George Lucas conveyed the emotions of Darth Vader, C-3P0 and R2-D2 without expressions and (much of the time) dialogue as a great achievement. Now he's throwing it all away... I just don't get it. Confused

@Caedus: What year are they from.


I don't see any of that in that particular scene. To me he looks like he's trying to decide whether to wear the black socks or...the black socks.

However, the scene where Luke and Vader are talking after Luke turns himself in, I find very poignant. When Luke says to him, "Then my father is truly dead." and leaves Vader, Vader leans against the rail, and I can feel the beginning of the conflict in him and probably emotions he hasn't allowed himself to feel in a very long time.

I think the conflict is resolved when Vader finally realizes as Luke's dying that Luke will never turn and Vader then becomes Anakin again, saves his son and fulfills the prophecy. I buy it, but I just don't see the emotion in Vader in that scene. It's not there in the body language like it is in the my father is dead scene.
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I'd say a lot of the controversy over Anakin/Vader as it pertains to Star Wars in general, and not just limited to the films, is that people have in their minds the vision of Vader that was created by Star Wars A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back as the Dark Lord that's 100% evil.

But with the addition of these "Noooo"s and so forth, that idea of Vader being this Dark Lord that's absolutely comfortable in his evilness has been chiseled away for the flawed character of Anakin.

I'd even suggest that this is the reason why ROTJ was always the least popular of the OT, rather than the Ewoks.


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Crash Override wrote:

Someone made the analogy that George Lucas is with the Star Wars movies the way Michael Jackson was with plastic surgery. That seems true. Personally, I'd be more preoccupied with correcting mistakes than with introducing new ones.


AWESOME!!!! I Love it! Hahahaha I was just pondering how the Saga Revisited has done a MUCH better job IMO of fixing mistakes and the like and ADDING to the Saga without overriding anything. So it's not like it can't be done. lol

But yeah GL is the MJ of the SW Universe.
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illogicalRogue2 wrote:
Crash Override wrote:

Someone made the analogy that George Lucas is with the Star Wars movies the way Michael Jackson was with plastic surgery. That seems true. Personally, I'd be more preoccupied with correcting mistakes than with introducing new ones.


AWESOME!!!! I Love it! Hahahaha I was just pondering how the Saga Revisited has done a MUCH better job IMO of fixing mistakes and the like and ADDING to the Saga without overriding anything. So it's not like it can't be done. lol

But yeah GL is the MJ of the SW Universe.


I'm not a big fan of the Revisited cut. He's doing the same thing as Lucas, and I find some of his changes to be just as pointless. I like Adywan's restorations of the theatrical cuts, though.


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