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Crash: I listened to the audio, but, honestly, I didn't think it was any better. All of it seemed wrong. The elongated 'my son!' and 'but not Anakin Skywalker...!' seemed out of place. Like it's neither Vader nor Anakin speaking. That, along with Palpatine's 'You. Will. Die. Die!' were too theatrical for my liking. As if it were a badly acted Shakespeare play.
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I think that's something that's reasonable not to expect, either retrieving the lightsaber or using the Force to do so might have clued in Palpatine and nullified the element of surprise, and even if we conclude it's not definite that it would, I think it's reasonable that Anakin wouldn't consider that option.
From a storytelling standpoint, Anakin shouldn't survive his redemption anyway, and that his final gesture is a sacrificial one is confirmation that it was done as Anakin Skywalker, and not Darth Vader. It's a selfless betrayal -- equal parts Jedi and Sith! I also think it's to some extent a return of Darth Vader to the child he was on Tatooine, since that was the only time we saw him do something selfless with the podrace, and from Episode II onward he was mostly acting on his own benefit.
Honestly, the "noooo" is kind of counter-productive IMO insofar as that it's what he did in Revenge of the Sith when saving Palpatine. He's yelling it out of self-interest in that case, not because of genuine concern for Palpatine. To have him yell it out to save Luke is a superficial call back. At best you could argue that he yelled it out in ROTS out of concern for Padme, but he's still acting in an immoral way for the benefit of himself, and to have him yell it out to save Luke almost is suggestive that there wasn't really character growth. Yes, he's reverted back to Anakin Skywalker, but he's still the flawed Anakin Skywalker of the prequels, not an enlightened Anakin that's finally realized his folly, and is behaving selflessly.
I suppose the fact that he's saving Luke doesn't fully allow for that to be realized, but the "nooo" just reminds you of the fact rather than attempting to mitigate the circumstances. I guess since it's a sacrificial act that helps, but would Anakin have died for Padme in Revenge of the Sith? |
That's sort of what my problem is, but I don't see it quite the way you're saying. Lucas has a habit of repeating dialogue. I've heard some fans back on the old TOS forums saying that it's because he can't be bothered to think up new dialogue, but I think of it as him showing how the same words can have different inflections, different meanings, when in different circumstances. This, I believe, is the case here. He's using the same dialogue, but not the same reasoning as to why he's saying it.
Having said that, however, I don't like the version we've seen so far. I'll wait until the Blu-Rays come out and the actual clip (because I'm pretty sure this is not the final cut) is put on youtube to see whether or not it's any good and whether or not I'll like it. However, again, I'm not a fan of it, as it is, for much the same reasoning you give: the superficial link. But the link I draw is not with the Anakin-Palpatine 'No' in ROTS, but the Padme one. Again, that's just on a superficial level - I feel they're both badly performed.
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