Palpatine vs Windu (who won if either?)

Master Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 1410

Nope, I don't believe it. He missed too many vital components, which means he had vision, but not precognition.
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Padawan Joined: 24 Apr 2011 Posts: 23

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Padawan Joined: 23 Apr 2011 Posts: 65 Location: Mandalore

Cerrinea you are bang on. Windu's vaapad fighting style had his royal darkness on the ropes, the fear in Palp's face was proof that even he was not sure of the final outcome, yet he believed that the way he manipulated the situation was his best course of action under the circumstances.
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Knight Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Posts: 211 Location: Ekkaia

Of course, it all depends on whether one takes Lucas literally, which is hard to do in some places but not in others.

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Knight Joined: 20 Jul 2011 Posts: 110

Palp put on a show. No question.

The timing was too perfect. He faked with the Lightning so why not before? The skill discrepancy between Mace and the other council members would be too vast if not. Palp beat Yoda who canonically is the more powerful.

Done deal. Were this a rational universe, at least.
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Master Joined: 11 Jun 2009 Posts: 1347

I believe Mace truly defeated Palpatine in the office. There were some attempts to buy time, like the pleas for mercy, but Windu mopped the floor with the Chancellor, at least in the dueling aspects. If he didn't spend his last few minutes talking, Anakin would have seen the aftermath of Palpatine's assassination.

Master Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Posts: 1796 Location: Carcosa

I've always thought Palpatine won because the scene was originally written and filmed with Anakin as witness to the entire battle and it was clear that Palpatine threw the fight for Anakin's benefit. I also thought it doesn't make sense for Palpatine to reveal himself to Anakin if he thought there was any chance for failure, i.e. being defeated by Mace. If so, he would have contrived to have Mace off Coruscant in the same way which he did Obi-Wan and presumably Yoda through his control of the CIS. Perhaps starting another incident on Haruun Kal.

But lately I've changed my mind, because it could be that Lucas deliberately removed Anakin from the scene to eliminate the idea that Palpatine threw the fight. Palpatine's entire plan is contingent upon Anakin becoming his apprentice and successor, and if Palpatine is as powerful as we're led to believe, the Chosen One is the only possible Sith that can become more powerful than him. Thus if Anakin turns down Palpatine, the Sith have absolutely peaked. Plus if Anakin refuses to turn, he will defeat Palpatine. Thus Palpatine made the calculated risk knowing he could lose to Mace because if Anakin didn't intervene, he already lost.

Palpatine also knew about the prophecy, and so possibly didn't believe that Mace could defeat him if the prophecy was true.

I also think that Mace and Yoda being able to defeat Palpatine is more poignant because it just makes Palpatine's victory at the end of Episode III that much more avoidable. He wasn't just some powerful Dark Lord that came in and completely annihilated everyone and won. He was vulnerable to the best that the good guys had, but still won through the personal weakness of Anakin, upon whom his plan was contingent. It wasn't a sure thing. If Palpatine would or could have won without Anakin, the tragedy is lessened.

Knight Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Posts: 211 Location: Ekkaia

According to the ROTS novel, Windu's lightsaber skills were unmatched. It may not look like it on screen, which probably has much to do with OOU considerations, but that fact survived the Lucas edit of the novel.

Knight Joined: 25 Jun 2011 Posts: 121

I'm going to say the guy that won is the one that didn't end up as a red smear on the pavement. Just my opinion. Wink

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Knight Joined: 18 Nov 2011 Posts: 442

Controversy time lol

Yoda and Sidious was a draw but Yoda feels he failed because he didnt defeat him. In his mind he lost but the fight to me was fairly equal.

Windu beats Sidious in the lightsaber duel but Sidious has other weapons and uses them like his ability to stall and of course his force lightning. If Anakin hadnt run into the office Windu would have defeated him.
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Knight Joined: 18 Nov 2011 Posts: 442

I feel we should also see Sidious in action more in the EU. Hopefully the James luceno book will show him in action for his master and maybe there will be a book set after it that shows Sidious in action.
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Padawan Joined: 31 Dec 2011 Posts: 22 Location: New York

So did Sidious know Anakin was on his way? Mace Windu had him cornered and beat and he looked like he was afraid that is until Anakin arrives.

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