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  Reepicheep
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I actually find Kevin J. Anderson pretty readable. Planet of Twilight was like pulling teeth.
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The Dark Nest trilogy.
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Kevin J. Anderson's books read like they're written for teenagers, but they aren't so boring that you have to will yourself to read through them like Hambly's books are. I think KJA and Karpyshyn are pretty similar in prose style.


They are written for incredibly dense teenagers then. KJA just can't write. It's not just that he writes for teenagers, the man can't really write at all.
Nothing that happens in his books is ever surprising, He uses a deus ex machina at every turn and lets the most stupid of things happen!
Only KJA would think that you can reach Leia's appartment on Corusant by climbing up vents that start in the undercity or that the whole of the New Republic is to dense to see that Mon Mothma is poisoned by ambassador Furgan. He comes up with things like the diversity alliance or the Darksaber and has to tie everything back in with the films even when he's already trying to put way too much stuff into one book already.
It must have been a while since you read KJA's books if you're comparing them to Karpyshyn's work in whatever way possible. What would be the main similarities between the two?

And what is so wrong about the Hambly books besides people disliking the whole idea behind Callista. No I'm not that into Callista either, but putting that aside I think the Hambly novels are pretty well written. What is so bad about Hambly's writing style if I may ask y'all?
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And what is so wrong about the Hambly books besides people disliking the whole idea behind Callista. No I'm not that into Callista either, but putting that aside I think the Hambly novels are pretty well written. What is so bad about Hambly's writing style if I may ask y'all?


I find her writing to be a bit unbearable. I recall vaguely the first paragraph of Planet of Twilight being some nonsense about describing the Force as rain that Leia could feel or something. I just recall thinking it sounded like a bad romance novel.
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I've given up arguing in favor of Callista. I wasn't huge on Planet of Twilight but I enjoyed Children of the Jedi. I just gave up and accepted that I like them and others won't so oh well
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Sorry, Caedus. If it makes you feel any better, I'm probably pretty alone in my affection for Anakin Skywalker.
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Sorry, Caedus. If it makes you feel any better, I'm probably pretty alone in my affection for Anakin Skywalker.


I like Anakin, I just hated Hayden's portrayal because I felt he was wooden and easier to call whiny. Luke was a tad whiny too, but Mark Hamill pulled it off better and it came across as conflicted. With Hayden it just didn't work.
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Callista would have been an interesting character had she died at the end of Children of the Jedi. The body-swapping just did not work, and turned her into a simpering idiot. And I wanted Luke to have a love interest by this time, as they obviously weren't going anywhere with Mara.
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It's been too long since I've read Hambly to remember properly. I remember it taking weeks to get through though.
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Lord Ree'dius wrote:
Crash Override wrote:
Kevin J. Anderson's books read like they're written for teenagers, but they aren't so boring that you have to will yourself to read through them like Hambly's books are. I think KJA and Karpyshyn are pretty similar in prose style.


They are written for incredibly dense teenagers then. KJA just can't write. It's not just that he writes for teenagers, the man can't really write at all.
Nothing that happens in his books is ever surprising, He uses a deus ex machina at every turn and lets the most stupid of things happen!
Only KJA would think that you can reach Leia's appartment on Corusant by climbing up vents that start in the undercity or that the whole of the New Republic is to dense to see that Mon Mothma is poisoned by ambassador Furgan. He comes up with things like the diversity alliance or the Darksaber and has to tie everything back in with the films even when he's already trying to put way too much stuff into one book already.
It must have been a while since you read KJA's books if you're comparing them to Karpyshyn's work in whatever way possible. What would be the main similarities between the two?

And what is so wrong about the Hambly books besides people disliking the whole idea behind Callista. No I'm not that into Callista either, but putting that aside I think the Hambly novels are pretty well written. What is so bad about Hambly's writing style if I may ask y'all?


I don't disagree about KJA. He's the equivalent of a crappy action movie. You have to shut your brain off to read it. But it's not ridiculously boring like Hambly. And like I said in the other thread, I'm reading Specter of the Past, and the novel itself is weakened by the fact that Zahn has to acknowledge KJA's contributions, and I feel like "Hey, you got KJA in my Zahn."


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While I've never read any of Kevin J. Anderson's original books, I must say I LOVED Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina, and can't wait to read more of the Tales books.

Judging from what you guys have said though, I might just stay away from his original work.


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First off, on KJA, I read the Jedi Academy Trilogy after The Thrawn Trilogy and I really enjoyed it. But these were the first Star Wars books I ever read. I've never reread them, so I'm not sure if my opinion would change now that I've read all the others.

Also, I have read KJA's original fiction and it's really good. In fact, I've read his original fiction recently, and compared to ALL of the Star Wars books (not just his) some of it is way better than any Star Wars book (even Stover). They guy can write when he gets a good idea. Not every writer blows your mind with every book.

Now Planet of Twilight, Children of the Jedi, Crystal Star, and Darksaber were all books I liked. Planet of Twilight had a Jedi Hutt. Darksaber had a Hutt building a superlaser lightsaber. Crystal Star, one of the few Star Wars novels I've actually reread (I've got it in hardcover now) not only has Waru, who I like (though I wish it was a more tangible creature) but I thought Han was very well done in that book. And Children of Jedi had Gamorreans in it, which I liked.

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I'm surprised that you disliked Daley's stories but like Hambly's two novels. I'll agree that Daley's are somewhat difficult to get through, but I think Hambly's have the same issue, except worse.

As for The Crystal Star, I have no dislike for Waru. However, the characterizations are off. At least, I remember Luke being off. But that may have been intentional due to the eponymous crystal star and its effect on the Force. I didn't dislike the book when I read it, but I really didn't dislike any of the Bantam books when I read them -- except the Hambly novels. Given the fact that I thought the characters were off in The Crystal Star when I read it and I was maybe nine or ten years old, I have to think that they were pretty off though for me to notice it at that age. My uncritical eye at that point was very generous in my reading.

I'm surprised that no one has said Ruins of Dantooine. That novel is so bad that you don't have to read it to know that it's bad.


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The characterizations were horrible.

Luke was weird. I'm not sure how exactly but he was just weird. And he swore! I don't mind characters swearing to a certain degree but this is Luke Skywalker!

Leia was irritating. She was a politician straight out of The Clone Wars.

And Han had this whole 'it's okay to look' nonsense going on.
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Speaking of bad characterization, anyone remember The Courtship of Princess Leia? I think it was a decent book and Han and Leia were wonderful, but Luke was SO OFF. I can't even. Nearly wrecked the whole thing for me.
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