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 PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:58 pm Reply with quote  
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Now, before the mods have a fit, this thread will remain clean Wink

I just want to know what everyone thinks about swearing in Star Wars. Personally, I really don't like it. I have nothing against real life swearing (within a limit) but in Star Wars it really annoys me.

First of all, the swear words sound stupid. "Kriff" does not sound like a release of anger. I'll try to keep this thread PG-13, but when your massive document gets deleted or you get injured, dropping an f-bomb almost melts into a scream. A prolonged "eee" does not really come as easily. I'm not really sure on the levels of badness of Star Wars swear words, but "kriff" would work as a short conscious, under the breath note-to-self, not a yell of helplessness and desperation, because that's what swearing is; you don't know how to express your anger, so you swear.

Secondly, they kind of alienate of from the books. In the middle of a tense situation, and you're cycling through all the possibilities, them someone says "frizz" you think "oh... that sounds silly" and I fail to take it seriousy for a bit. But maybe that's just me.

I prefer it when they call each other kath hounds or whatever, that sounds more believable.

Also, I just feel that Star Wars isn't really the place for swearing. It just doesn't fit. It's hard to explain.

Mods, he this is a bit too strong for the forums, feel free to remove it. Or should I put it in spoiler tags with a warning?
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DannikJerriko wrote:
Now, before the mods have a fit, this thread will remain clean Wink

I just want to know what everyone thinks about swearing in Star Wars. Personally, I really don't like it. I have nothing against real life swearing (within a limit) but in Star Wars it really annoys me.

First of all, the swear words sound stupid. "Kriff" does not sound like a release of anger. I'll try to keep this thread PG-13, but when your massive document gets deleted or you get injured, dropping an f-bomb almost melts into a scream. A prolonged "eee" does not really come as easily. I'm not really sure on the levels of badness of Star Wars swear words, but "kriff" would work as a short conscious, under the breath note-to-self, not a yell of helplessness and desperation, because that's what swearing is; you don't know how to express your anger, so you swear.

Secondly, they kind of alienate of from the books. In the middle of a tense situation, and you're cycling through all the possibilities, them someone says "frizz" you think "oh... that sounds silly" and I fail to take it seriousy for a bit. But maybe that's just me.

I prefer it when they call each other kath hounds or whatever, that sounds more believable.

Also, I just feel that Star Wars isn't really the place for swearing. It just doesn't fit. It's hard to explain.

Mods, he this is a bit too strong for the forums, feel free to remove it. Or should I put it in spoiler tags with a warning?


As a Mod I'll let this thread slide for now.

I personally enjoy the swearing in my SW. I was very bummed when they pulled the word Frak out of Deceived. (it was in the ARC)

As for Kriff. it's just the work Frik which is a more polite F-bomb. I in fact use Kriffin a lot! I grew up in a family of Loggers and Sailors and Dairy Farmers, swearing is just what the "guys do" in my family. Sure you judge a group/ situation before flying off with a litany of swear words. I kind of miss Sithspawn and Sithspit. but then again those kind of died out fast. The one that irks me to a point if Blast. Blast doesn't seem like a bad word to me. So in that regards I feel you Dannik. Like Frak, the word needs to feel bad. Like with Firefly they made words like Goram, and Rutter. Swearing / slang will always be around in some form or fashion because it's just that; slang. The only reason we see swearing as "foul language" is because the royalty saw themselves above their peasant workers and didn't want their children speaking like the commoners. In fact it's almost surprising more of the SWEU planets aren't playing with local variants of words.

Like some authors will go so far as to say the character swore in many languages without giving us the words.
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 PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:25 am Reply with quote  
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Yeah, I think it's better when they say "He cursed loudly", it lets you fill in the gap. I by no means think that characters should be dropping sweary-bombs all over the shop, that would make the books less accessible to younger children, and personally, would make me feel a bit uncomfortable. Star Wars has so many other ways to be edgy. They need not swear.
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Bantha Poodoo which was used in the prequels were regarded as "swear words" in the galaxy.Jabba too in Jedi said stuff deemed in anger. But you are never going to hear real swear words in SW.

I hope not anyway theres enough other literature to get all that and more.
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I said "Ah, kriff!" yesterday. Razz

Real world swear words can bother me if they're used too much. I don't mind one here or there to keep things realistic, but when you have characters saying, "I was walking down the ****ing street and this ****ing car almost ****ing hit me. Like ****! If you're going to drive a ****ing car, at least know how to ****ing drive!", it's just stupid and unnecessary.

That said, I have no problem with fake swear words as they are empty words.

As for 'kriff' not sounding strong enough, there are plenty of others that do sound strong. 'Kark' for example.
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Reepicheep wrote:

Real world swear words can bother me if they're used too much. I don't mind one here or there to keep things realistic, but when you have characters saying, "I was walking down the ****ing street and this ****ing car almost ****ing hit me. Like ****! If you're going to drive a ****ing car, at least know how to ****ing drive!", it's just stupid and unnecessary.


You mean like this? (not for kids, comedy sketch making fun of the over-swearer) Again, mods feel free to remove the link.

As for them being empty, that's why I don't like them. To me, they don't convey anger or frustration. I just don't think Star Wars should contain swearing, real or fake, each for different reasons.
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I've always preferred 'Sithspit'. It works really well for me. I just wish that SW had an equivalent to 'OMG'.
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darthrevan1 wrote:
Bantha Poodoo which was used in the prequels were regarded as "swear words" in the galaxy.Jabba too in Jedi said stuff deemed in anger. But you are never going to hear real swear words in SW.

I hope not anyway theres enough other literature to get all that and more.


Actually, you do. There are several in the films - the only one I can remember at the moment is when Han says 'then I'll see you in Hell'. Too, there are a good few real world swear words in the EU. I remember a Stackpole book that had some, and Kemp's books. I have no problem with this kind of swearing, though, and also no problem with imaginary swear words. The only thing I could object to is that they don't use harsher real world swear words. Somehow they're speaking our language(s), so why not all of it?
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Life, that's what I think. They even use sayings stemmed from real world events, so it seems weird that they don't use real swear words, but it doesn't mean Luke should have a sweary pie when he gets his hand cut off.
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The imaginary swear words honestly make more sense than any other than d*** and hell. In a different location different forms of harsh language would evolve.
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Caedus_16 wrote:
The imaginary swear words honestly make more sense than any other than d*** and hell. In a different location different forms of harsh language would evolve.


I see your point. Instead of calling someone a Nazi, they say Sithspit.

Even in America and England, you say jack***, we say tw*t.

That's why I don't mind Bantha poodoo and stuff, it's their equivalent of bull****.
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darthrevan1 wrote:
Bantha Poodoo which was used in the prequels were regarded as "swear words" in the galaxy.Jabba too in Jedi said stuff deemed in anger. But you are never going to hear real swear words in SW.

I hope not anyway theres enough other literature to get all that and more.


Actually, you do. There are several in the films - the only one I can remember at the moment is when Han says 'then I'll see you in Hell'. Too, there are a good few real world swear words in the EU. I remember a Stackpole book that had some, and Kemp's books. I have no problem with this kind of swearing, though, and also no problem with imaginary swear words. The only thing I could object to is that they don't use harsher real world swear words. Somehow they're speaking our language(s), so why not all of it?


Yeah but Hells not a swear word. Its just frowned on. We don't see calling Heaven a swear word so why should Hell be?

But as for the remove of swearing for children- to me this is a touchy subject- Kids get kid books all the time. So in that regard I enjoy ADULT aimed SW books. The end of the day in the real word is once you are 18 you can say anything you feel like. But in the SW universe even teens are practically considered adults. But again it gets back to how it's handled. I wouldn't enjoy say Luke Skywalker cursing up a storm. But a trooper or pirate I could see.
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Reepicheep wrote:
I said "Ah, kriff!" yesterday. Razz

Real world swear words can bother me if they're used too much. I don't mind one here or there to keep things realistic, but when you have characters saying, "I was walking down the ****ing street and this ****ing car almost ****ing hit me. Like ****! If you're going to drive a ****ing car, at least know how to ****ing drive!", it's just stupid and unnecessary.


Sadly, I know people who actually talk like that. For no real reason.
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Yeah but Hells not a swear word. Its just frowned on. We don't see calling Heaven a swear word so why should Hell be?

But as for the remove of swearing for children- to me this is a touchy subject- Kids get kid books all the time. So in that regard I enjoy ADULT aimed SW books. The end of the day in the real word is once you are 18 you can say anything you feel like. But in the SW universe even teens are practically considered adults. But again it gets back to how it's handled. I wouldn't enjoy say Luke Skywalker cursing up a storm. But a trooper or pirate I could see.


Just to be pedantic, I had a friend who'd get told off for saying 'Heaven (insert rest of the sentence here)' or 'oh God' or 'Jesus' because, and I quote, 'It distracts God and Jesus from helping poor people'. But I get your point about 'hell', I just chose that because it was the only one I could think up that I could say without it being automatically edited.

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The imaginary swear words honestly make more sense than any other than d*** and hell. In a different location different forms of harsh language would evolve.


That's true. Back in the old days, our swear words weren't even swear words. Instead we called people - if we were really riled up at them - jackenapes. Or ninnies. It changes. I just find it odd that our harsher words aren't used at all, even if they're not their swear words (though I think they would be, given that Basic has followed the same evolution as English has, from what little I've seen).
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DannikJerriko wrote:

As for them being empty, that's why I don't like them. To me, they don't convey anger or frustration.

But in the GFFA, they do have meaning. However for me, it's nice.
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