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I have to agree to an extent, especially since Ostrander did a story for SW Republic where A'Sharad Hett chastises Anakin for healing someone that was mortally wounded because he was just prolonging her suffering. I guess the implication is that healing someone that's on death's door is unnaturally prolonging their life.

So I'm not sure how Cade can use the light side to heal people in that way when we've got that example and we've got his teenage girlfriend in the quasi-Vader outfit with the stripper/porn star name that was supposed to die as well that he kept alive.


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Caedus_16 wrote:
There's light-side equivalent to Force-Lightning

I often found it curious that Lucas himself says that the DS is stronger. But flawed.
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I got that it was supposed to be the whole "the light side truly is stronger" thing but I honestly just kind of hoped that it would remain one of those dark-side powers. The dark side is no threat if there isn't an equal power to it, at least in my eyes. There's light-side equivalent to Force-Lightning and even essence transfer, even though the power to stay alive well past your lifespan is considered an unnatural dark side power. So I honestly just wish they'd stop evening things out and instead have things wholly unique to each side. There are things like Force Choke and such but I just wish that instead of taking Dark Side powers and making Light Side equivalents but better that something all its own would surface. It just didn't seem original to me.


Certain authors seem to insist on an "anything you can do I can do better" approach yielding "light side equivalents" to everything. However, we know from Lucas that there are such things as exclusively dark side powers, while the concept forms the basis for Anakin's motivation in ROTS. There isn't really a light side equivalent of essence transfer that I know of, unless you mean ghosting, which is not really the same thing.
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Arawn_Fenn wrote:
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I got that it was supposed to be the whole "the light side truly is stronger" thing but I honestly just kind of hoped that it would remain one of those dark-side powers. The dark side is no threat if there isn't an equal power to it, at least in my eyes. There's light-side equivalent to Force-Lightning and even essence transfer, even though the power to stay alive well past your lifespan is considered an unnatural dark side power. So I honestly just wish they'd stop evening things out and instead have things wholly unique to each side. There are things like Force Choke and such but I just wish that instead of taking Dark Side powers and making Light Side equivalents but better that something all its own would surface. It just didn't seem original to me.


Certain authors seem to insist on an "anything you can do I can do better" approach yielding "light side equivalents" to everything. However, we know from Lucas that there are such things as exclusively dark side powers, while the concept forms the basis for Anakin's motivation in ROTS. There isn't really a light side equivalent of essence transfer that I know of, unless you mean ghosting, which is not really the same thing.


Callista did it
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Ah, forgot about that one.
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Arawn_Fenn wrote:
Ah, forgot about that one.


I'm one of the few people that like her in the EU. Most just block her out so its not shocking that gets forgotten.
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I should have remembered it because I "reread" ( skimmed ) COTJ a few years ago.
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Caedus_16 wrote:
Arawn_Fenn wrote:
Caedus_16 wrote:
I got that it was supposed to be the whole "the light side truly is stronger" thing but I honestly just kind of hoped that it would remain one of those dark-side powers. The dark side is no threat if there isn't an equal power to it, at least in my eyes. There's light-side equivalent to Force-Lightning and even essence transfer, even though the power to stay alive well past your lifespan is considered an unnatural dark side power. So I honestly just wish they'd stop evening things out and instead have things wholly unique to each side. There are things like Force Choke and such but I just wish that instead of taking Dark Side powers and making Light Side equivalents but better that something all its own would surface. It just didn't seem original to me.


Certain authors seem to insist on an "anything you can do I can do better" approach yielding "light side equivalents" to everything. However, we know from Lucas that there are such things as exclusively dark side powers, while the concept forms the basis for Anakin's motivation in ROTS. There isn't really a light side equivalent of essence transfer that I know of, unless you mean ghosting, which is not really the same thing.


Callista did it


Maybe that was the reason she lost her connection to the Light Side of the Force after transferring into Cray Mingla.
It always struck me as something rather selfish to let Cray die so Callista could be with Luke.
Maybe transferring into a machine is one thing, but taking possession of another person is too much of a Dark Side thing. It would explain why Callista could use the Dark Side, but not the Light.
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Lord Ree'dius wrote:
Caedus_16 wrote:
Arawn_Fenn wrote:
Caedus_16 wrote:
I got that it was supposed to be the whole "the light side truly is stronger" thing but I honestly just kind of hoped that it would remain one of those dark-side powers. The dark side is no threat if there isn't an equal power to it, at least in my eyes. There's light-side equivalent to Force-Lightning and even essence transfer, even though the power to stay alive well past your lifespan is considered an unnatural dark side power. So I honestly just wish they'd stop evening things out and instead have things wholly unique to each side. There are things like Force Choke and such but I just wish that instead of taking Dark Side powers and making Light Side equivalents but better that something all its own would surface. It just didn't seem original to me.


Certain authors seem to insist on an "anything you can do I can do better" approach yielding "light side equivalents" to everything. However, we know from Lucas that there are such things as exclusively dark side powers, while the concept forms the basis for Anakin's motivation in ROTS. There isn't really a light side equivalent of essence transfer that I know of, unless you mean ghosting, which is not really the same thing.


Callista did it


Maybe that was the reason she lost her connection to the Light Side of the Force after transferring into Cray Mingla.
It always struck me as something rather selfish to let Cray die so Callista could be with Luke.
Maybe transferring into a machine is one thing, but taking possession of another person is too much of a Dark Side thing. It would explain why Callista could use the Dark Side, but not the Light.


To me it felt like more of a Vong or Ulic Qel-Droma thing. She did something that the Force didn't agree with and it was removed but I think the ability was still there, it just wasn't something she was able to touch the same.
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Callista is a strange case because her infirmity is depicted inconsistently. In Darksaber, she's literally like the Yuuzhan Vong -- Luke cannot sense her through the Force at all. But in Planet of Twilight, he can sense her presence and sense her emotional states when he sees her.

My theory is derived from Plagueis. In it, Plagueis says that Force sensitivity cannot be endowed to a creature via infusion of midi-chlorians, because it's as though the midi-chlorians know that person isn't who they are meant for. This is seen first hand through Grievous. This is referring to non-Force sensitives, but in the case of Callista, I'm supposing that perhaps it's true across the board and since she is the only non-dark sider that we've seen switch bodies, that only by using the dark side can you dominate the midi-chlorians and force them to obey you. A non-Force sensitive is unable to do that and a Jedi won't do that (except when Callista used the dark side a few times).

And I'm hard pressed to think of a dark sider that switched to a new body rather than a clone, but off the top of my head all I can think of is Set Harth and Palpatine. Haven't finished Dynasty of Evil but I know in the sourcebooks Harth was using clones eventually, but might not have done so originally.


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In Darksaber, she's literally like the Yuuzhan Vong -- Luke cannot sense her through the Force at all.

Unless she uses the dark side.
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