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 PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:14 am Reply with quote  
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When do you believe Anakin truly turned to the darkness?
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 PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:20 am Reply with quote  
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When Palpatine knighted him Darth Vader.
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 PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:48 am Reply with quote  
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Wise guy I feel his turn started before then; before ROTS, even. The Clone Wars did something to him and perhaps that something deals with Ahsoka more than we know.
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Anakin may have been toying with the dark side, but he didn't become a Sith until he wiped out the younglings. I think even the death of Windu could be forgiven in that he acted rashly and emotionally on the spur of the moment. When he took out the temple, he had a nice long walk to think about his actions. That was the tipping point.
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I think that the hard years on Tatooine made him into a very emotional and angry person. Over the next several years, he steadily became darker, but he didn't truly make the choice to be dark until he pledged himself to Palpatine's teachings.
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His mommy didn't love him enough. A Rodian bully picked on him as a child. And he never got that Old Sith War battle action playset as a kid. Poor guy was doomed from the start. Very Happy
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I think it was a process, his actions in AoC starting it, killing Dooku was another step and him "saving" Palpatine was almost the final seal, but considering his tears on Mustafar etc I think that his turn wasn't 100 % complete until he heard that Padme was dead. Padme's death cut Darth Vader's connection to Anakin Skywalker in my opinion and finalized his fall.


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Son Of Skywalker wrote:
Wise guy I feel his turn started before then; before ROTS, even. The Clone Wars did something to him and perhaps that something deals with Ahsoka more than we know.

You said when he truly turned not started to turn. Now that I know you meant when he started, I think it was when he killed the Tuskens. Next time be more claritive.
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When his mom died and he killed all the Tuskens. I'd probley turn to the darkside too Twisted Evil
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I think being without his mother plagued him from the beginning. He was never able to completely forget about her (and not that he should have) and it only worsened the problem (greatly) when she died. Because then he wasn't able to save her and he felt resentment at the Jedi for not caring about her, etc. Then Padmé came along, and he gave everything to her. Perhaps to make up for his mother? And now he couldn't focus on anything other than her, resulting in his killing of Windu, seeing as he needed Palpatine to 'save' Padmé. So all in all...it was the women in his life. They'll get you every time. Very Happy
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That's a pretty valid point. I used to think that all that Jedi stuff about attachments was too harsh; but now when you think about if Anakin had just not gotten involved with Padme, the galaxy would be a very different place.

Conspiracy theory: Did palpatine plan the whole assasination attempts on Padme, then assign Anakin and Obi-Wan to protect her, so that Anakin would get close to her and possibley give Palpatine a chance to corrupt him? That's pretty way our there...
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The assasination was from the Seperatists. And guess who's running the whole Seperatist show. I just always assumed that.
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Darth Skuldren wrote:
His mommy didn't love him enough.


You see, I think the opposite. His mom lived him too much (not that love's bad), and that made him a much more attached and emotional person then he otherwise would have been. After all, it was his attachments and mixed emotions that sent him spiraling into darkness.
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Ah, I believe DS was attempting a joke there. Could be mistaken, but I do believe so...
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Rouge77 wrote:
I think it was a process, his actions in AoC starting it, killing Dooku was another step and him "saving" Palpatine was almost the final seal, but considering his tears on Mustafar etc I think that his turn wasn't 100 % complete until he heard that Padme was dead. Padme's death cut Darth Vader's connection to Anakin Skywalker in my opinion and finalized his fall.


The tears were "the good in him" that Padme and Luke both mention Smile. I agree, it was a process, and even Jacen wasn't a Sith in my book until he gave himself a name. Once they really pledge themselves, I say they've fallen...but the same can be said for the light. The steps there they could turn back but once you make the call, it usually is more difficult to turn back from it (Anakin's tears here, too; he knew he shouldn't be doing it, but he was already doing it).
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