Homosexuality

I am also opposed to same-sex marriage and such, on religious grounds, but I would never, ever, ever, in a million years, tease or bully somebody that was gay. Not ever. I completely respect their sexual orientation, I just believe it is wrong in God's eyes, as written in the Bible. But I'm not trying to debate the point, I simply want to make very clear that I would never make fun of or despise/condemn a gay person.
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I would like to agree 100% with Taral.

RE: Gay marriage: This tends to get convoluted with my religion argument. People worship who and what they like, but the second that starts affecting other people for the worse, we have to start thinking about it. We can't still follow rules from 2000 years ago, that's why we don't have execution (well, some of us).

I have had many arguments at school with someone who doesn't agree with it. I should say that he isn't just a random "gays are disgusting and gay" type guy, he's very political, and not at all religious. In England (don't know about the rest of the UK) we have Civil Partnerships, which are basically the same as marriage, but for gay people. His argument is "We've given them Civil Partnerships, and they're pretty much the same as marriage, so why can't they just be happy". My counter-argument is that the law is giving one thing to straight people (marriage) and another to gay people (Civil Partnerships), thus separating the two.

That's why I agree with Taral's marriage-purely-religious point. I think straight people should be able to have Civil Partnerships (but you know, change the name, it sounds tacky), people who aren't religious but love each other and want to be with each other for the rest of their lives, and want something as a symbol of that.

I watched a video on YouTube (here) where someone says it's a choice to be gay. I did not choose to be straight, I just am.

Funnily enough, at school there is one of those guys that says "Oh, that's so gay" meaning bad, but isn't against gay marriage.
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I would like to add that, in my opinion, all what Jesus preached (love thy neighbour, etc.) takes precedence over previous text that condemns homosexuality.

But that's my interpretation.
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Religiously we are opposed to it, but we aren't all backwards hics from the South. If asked by a gay person if I religiously opposed them I would be honest, but I would never go out of my way to condemn or to bully or to hurt someone's happiness. Its not my place. Everyone has a right to be happy. I may not agree with drug use, but I know people who smoke weed. I may not agree with gay marriage, but I'm not going to oppose it if one of my friends is doing it to be happy. Many people don't agree with my controversial views on God and the universe, but they have no right to tell me whether I'm right or wrong because its about belief and happiness. But there is a line we have to talk on this belief, because murder makes some people happy but we can't let them have it. There is an acceptable level of happy that we can allow, and things like marriage or adoption or right to live like anyone else is always going to have to be acceptable, regardless on your outlook on life. I have gay friends, friends of multiple races and faiths, and friends who hate Star Wars (horrible, right?) and I couldn't imagine life without any of them. But you can't tell them apart from a crowd, they aren't in your face about their race or their sexual preferences or their religions, and that's how I believe we have to live. I don't hate gay people and I'm not homophobic, I'm uncomfortable with the ones who have to make a show of it. If I went to a parade of straight people where men held signs that said "I Banged a Woman Last Night and You Have to Be Ok With It" I'd be just as annoyed. Over-compensating straight people are just as frustrating as in-your-face gay people. As long as you just be who you are without the need to make every minute a show, as long as you just ARE instead of being needy or acting like the whole world has to love every single thing you do or you can't be happy means you're frustratingly insecure. Unfortunately the 'Out-Loud-And-Proud' homosexual is becoming a stereotype. The less attention we draw to it the more normal it will become and then things like gay marriages and such will just be marriages like everyone else has. I don't agree with it, but I'd never stop someone if they were happy and would never force my views on them.
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I don't want to comment on homosexuality, but I do like the discussion about "homophobia".

I'm glad that you brought that up about Phobia, Taral-DLOS. I have been talking about that to people outside of the board today. A Phobia may be accompanied by an actual response of fright, but it may also trigger physiological responses such as nausea, dizziness and other symptoms of acute anxiety. This is probably what was intended by describing "homophobia", but it should be said that Phobia is a medical condition and using it to describe someone whose opinion you disagree with is ableist, as in prejudice based on a person's functionality. If it is being used to disparage prejudice against a group (homosexuals) then it is wrong to do so against another group (disabled people).

People also told me that they think a better term to use than "homophobia" is heterosexism, or heterosexist.

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Where I live (Australia) same gender marriages aren't leagal but the government is debating whether to make it legal or not. I'm a Christian so I'm opposed to it from that view, but I also think that it is just wrong. I don't know anyone who is gay but I would never tease anyone of they were cause althought I think it's wrong its good to respect other people's views as I want people to respect mine.
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^ Just so you know, I have no problems whatsoever with "intimacy before marriage". Wink

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This brings up another point: what is "intimacy before marriage"?

I personally do not like it when people say that they are still virgins because they've done "everything but".

In everyone's eyes, including His, any form of sexual intimacy "counts". If you performed every sex act under the moon, except vaginal intercourse, it does not make you a virgin.

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