Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor Discussion Part 2

Taking away the bomber pilot element, Luke has chopped a lot of people up with his lightsaber. In real life, looking at knights who chopped people up with swords, would we think of them as psychopaths? Did they suffer from traumatic issues?
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Knight Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Posts: 211 Location: Ekkaia

Master Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 4400 Location: Korriban

Knight Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Posts: 211 Location: Ekkaia

I was going to cover it in my review, but then I never got around to writing a review. It's about what goes on between Revan and Scourge, and later Revan and Vitiate.
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Master Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 4400 Location: Korriban

If you guys want to go off on a Revan discussion, please do so in the Revan thread that way the Mindor thread can stay on track. Thanks.
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IRL knights were probably most like Mandalorians, not Jedi.

Althought a good deal of them were just pampered Aristocrats that liked to swing a sword around every now and then in a sort of Medieval Fight Club and when it came to actual warfare they stayed home and paid someone else to do the real fighting and dying.

I don't know if there has ever been anyone in history who has personally killed hundreds of people in battle. The guys who do the killing tend to die pretty quickly themselves and history remembers the ones who stood aside and told them what to do, like the knights above. Just think about that during WWII, not all that long ago really, the allies had hundreds of thousands of soldiers die and they were the winners.

It's not like the movies were the hero lives and everyone else drops dead. I'd like to see a war movie where everyone dies, but not heroically in a last stand at the end, just one by one throughout the course of the film. That would be realistic.

I'm hesitant to believe all this "medieval knights were bloodthirsty knights were thugs who cared nothing for chivalry", because it seems in line with the medieval Europe-bashing trend our culture seems to be on. Notice that the samurai, another honour-obsessed (I mean that as flattery Wink

) group of warriors, don't seem to be subject to the same level of scrutiny.

I honestly think there were thug knights, but there were also knights who lived and breathed chivalry. If a knight didn't act chivalrously in a certain circumstance, isn't it possible that he tried to be chivalrous but failed rather than immediatley assuming that he cared nothing for chivalry? You can love the idea of not striking an enemy who is down, but it must be awfully tempting when the time actually comes.

As always, I'm a hopeful skeptic. I'm doubtful that a knight like Galahad could have existed, but I hope he did. Nothing would please me more.
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Knight Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Posts: 211 Location: Ekkaia

Gotta agree, the Samurai are almost exactly the same as European Knights. It's not that they were bloodthirsty and that they had no ideals other than to kill for money, it's just that we have a romantisized idea of them that comes from stories more than history. And even moreso for Samurai in Western eyes.

Look at Richard I who is a brave hero in Robin Hood, but IRL he slaughtered troves of women and children and fought like a coward.

I'm sure that there were many knights that did practice chivalry, but they were probably more the aristocratic dueling clubs types that I talked about. When it come down to warfare, when it's kill or be killed, honor and virtue go out the window pretty fast.

And when I said Mandos, I meant because they were diverse. Some of them are killers, others just want to make a buck and most of them are just farmers and blacksmiths that begrudging put on armor in service of their ideals and culture.

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