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Well, since they've already supposedly indicated that Legacy might not be binding, maybe one day the same thing will happen to FOTJ. Once you've started casually assassinating recently released canon products, no one is safe. On the other hand, maybe TCW should remember its place and focus on building up to ROTS.
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When you are talking about material that takes place over several different mediums but is all part of the same canon, that's going to happen regardless. Especially when one considers the sheer amount of companies involved in producing that material. Even the Lucas parts are broken down into different companies dealing with their own medium.

So having something may or may not be part of the official canon, doesn't really bother me in this case.

Especially considering,

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These are a lot of problems I've been having with Star Wars lately. They make things like Plagueis more interesting to me though. Attempts to balance the constant stream of crap being thrown at us that all contradicts each other is noble, but it would be nice if we didn't HAVE to have that in the first place. Things like Mortis or "Chosen One" prophecies muck things up and make anything post RotJ pointless and wrong even though it was there first. It is getting ridiculous and to enjoy it I'm having to lower my expectations.
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Really that was already messed up when it was put into the films.

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Really that was already messed up when it was put into the films.

[spoiler]The books and comics had already developed other dark side users, so if bringing balance to the Force was getting rid of the darksiders then it failed. Plus with the introduction of the Lost Tribe and The One Sith, he didn't even get rid of the Sith.

I guess one could look at it as Anakin brought balance to the Force by allowing the light to rise by removing the one man, The Emperor, that was preventing the Jedi from returning. Plus by helping The Emperor destroy the old order, he allowed the numbers to move even out.

But then even as I wrote that, I know it's a bunch of BS and I'm playing devil's advocate.


This novel was entertaining but The Chosen One thing screwed up a lot and made a lot of Star Wars awful. Too much won't make sense ever again and I'd prefer to think that Anakin was NOT the chosen one, but rather the Jedi were wrong about that and he was just a freak accident of the Force. It makes more sense.
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Mara, just give the book a chance. I (and others) really liked Apocalypse so just read it and decide for yourself. You may end up hating it, but you may be surprised and like it.


Don't worry, I shall give it the benefit of the doubt until I've turned the final page. So far I'm enjoying it more than Ascension, and I hope to finish it before Spring Break ends. So we shall see.
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This novel was entertaining but The Chosen One thing screwed up a lot and made a lot of Star Wars awful. Too much won't make sense ever again and I'd prefer to think that Anakin was NOT the chosen one, but rather the Jedi were wrong about that and he was just a freak accident of the Force. It makes more sense.


Personally I'm always hoping a serial fiction series will take that route, but they never do.


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I'm several chapters in and am enjoying it. Might finish tomorrow.
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In Star Wars we can apparently kill the Dark Side, the Light Side, and "Balance" and walk away whistling.


If the Son and Daughter were killed, it should be obvious they were not literally the dark side and the light side respectively. It is worth noting that the actual Mortis episodes never said that they were, it's just that some viewers insisted on seeing them that way. The opening narration of one of the episodes framed things in a more reasonable fashion: that one of them aligned with the light, and the other aligned with the dark.
( Also, balance is not a person; it is a condition which the Force may or may not have at a given time. )

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Then the PT comes and we get a prophecy that Anakin will "bring balance to the Force", which I always assumed meant he was going to destroy the Sith and that the dark side was the disturbance in the Force. Once the dark side was defeated, "balance" would be brought.


The imbalance should be equated with the growth out of bounds of the dark side, rather than with the dark side's very existence. In this sense you could say that the dark side is "defeated" ( prevented from taking over ) when balance is restored, but it is not destroyed. It is merely in balance with the light side once more.

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I don't like the idea of "balance" meaning that the galaxy has an equal part of good and evil. First of all, if that's the definition, Anakin set the Force way out of balance by destroying the Sith in RotJ.


Destroying Palpatine and his Empire only gets rid of the major all-encompassing evil which serves as an existential threat. There is still going to be much evil in the galaxy at a lower level ( think Jabba types ), and you're never going to be able to completely remove that. Also, the balance is between the light and dark sides of the Force, and I think we should resist the temptation to directly equate these with "good" and "evil".

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Plus by helping The Emperor destroy the old order, he allowed the numbers to move even out.


The balance of the Force is not a balance of Force-users. It has nothing to do with evening out numbers of people in organizations.
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Queen Padmè Skywalker wrote:
I'm several chapters in and am enjoying it. Might finish tomorrow.


Its a quick read, despite its size.
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Two thirds through it now. I'll finish sometime today.
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And done.

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Aww, I was hoping to annoy Padme with such comments like 'Aww, I'm so sad now <spoiler> and 'Oh hell yes! <spoiler>' and 'no freaking way was ... <spoiler>' Laughing .
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