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I don't really know what to say.
I liked the book. That much I've said. I'm more ... surprised by the reactions on here, than anything else. I just don't think things are that bad.
I want one single history, a single timeline. I've said that before and I'll probably say it many more times. It's not perfect, as it is, but on the whole I do think it works. I didn't see anything in Apocalypse that led me to believe that that set up was being done away with or undermined in any way. I can see a fair few ways of how FOTJ can tie in (in plausible ways) to Legacy - and that's something I want.
(Sorry for the poorly handled segue and for the poor quoting) I believe it was Cerrinea who said that since Legacy means anything written between this and that is saddening because it all ends up badly - and that it can't be compared to the OT/PT, because the OT ended on a positive note. I'd like to say that it can be compared to the films, but Legacy did end on a high note. The bad guys were sent running - not wiped out, but they were defeated. Much like the films.
I got the feeling that Apocalypse wasn't simply a way of tying in to the later comics. I loved that. It shows that good stories can be written without simply tying things together, or even undermining stories set later in the timeline - as demonstrated here:
|Darth Skuldren wrote:
via the Suvudu interview...
Did you always intend to leave the identity of the Sith Lord who meets Luke Beyond Shadows a mystery? I was thinking he might be White Eyes, the leader of the One Sith that we saw in Inferno and Fury.
Troy Denning: I have a very definite idea of who he is, and heís not White Eyes, I will say that much. But heís definitely a character who appears in the future of the EU. If I define this too much, then people are going to be out there debating it and arguing about it. I would much prefer to let people come to their own conclusions. Even though I know what my conclusion is, it doesnít necessarily mean that someone coming to a different conclusion is wrong. When you start getting into the mystic stuff and starting talking about symbols and the spiritual realm, there really never is one right answer. Itís always a matter of interpretation.
Is there anything you can tell me about the vision that Ben has on the pinnace toward the end of the novel (Page 415)? It seems to connect pretty explicitly with the events of Dark Horseís Legacy comics and the emergence of the One Sith.
Troy Denning: Visions and symbols are always subject to interpretation and the future is always in motion. I look on a vision as one of many possible things that could happen. What Iím doing there is giving a nod to that continuity, but Iím just a writer, so I donít know how or even if weíre going to get from where Apocalypse ends to where Legacy begins. Thatís a big mystery to me, certainly. And I would be surprised if at this point even the editors and the folks at Lucasfilm had a clear picture of everything thatís going to happen in the next sixty years of EU time between Apocalypse and Legacy. Thatís a long, long period of time, and to tell you the truth, I donít think that anybody really has a firm grasp on how weíre going to get from where we are now to where Legacy begins.
And I donít think they should ĖĖ I donít think anybody should have that all pegged down right now. I think thereís too much fun to be had playing with that time period right now. Thatís one of the things that comes up in Apocalypse ĖĖ has the future been changed? Thatís a question that I donít think I know the answer to right now, and Iím hoping the readers wonít know the answers to it. I suspect that probably the Lucasfilm people have an answer to that, but they havenít shared it with me ĖĖ and I wouldnít want them to. I hate spoilers, and that would be the biggest spoiler of all.
From what Denning said, it seems quite clear to me that everyone still plans on linking up with the Legacy comics. No where does it say the Legacy comics are no longer canon, or that anyone is thinking about getting rid of them. It does not even hint that the Legacy comics will be changed any.
What is revealed in the answers is that Denning sought to undo the way the novels were already tying things down to the Legacy comics. This doesn't change anything. The connection between the two has always been up in the air and undefined. No one knows how we get from point A to B. By undoing some of the precursor events like Jag being Emperor already and Tahiri being a Hand, nothing in Legacy was destroyed or even changed. It just means that Jag isn't going to establish his reign as emperor yet. The Imperial Knights aren't going to be created yet. Ben isn't going to be married and have a kid yet.
However, in another quote - which I forgot to copy, sorry - it states that Troy had several ideas, from the beginning, in the back of his mind. That has me a little worried. It's not clear whether or not he shared these thoughts with the other writers, and I think perhaps this led to the feeling of disjointed storytelling. It reminded me of something that was said in, I believe, last week's Tosche Station podcast - where one host said they feel that Denning has too much influence on the way the EU is going. I now think that may indeed be true. That's my major gripe, I suppose. I recall, at the end of the book, Luke was thinking on how things were descending into deeper chaos. I just didn't get that feeling at all. It felt much like the same old chaos.
So in terms of future (or past, however you look at it) continuity being done away with, I'm not worried.
Now, as for the Mortis/Chosen One thing, I'm also not worried. I liked roughly half of the three TCW episodes. I liked that it dealt with more mystical elements - even if it was, in my opinion, poorly handled. But I liked its inclusion into Apocalypse, and I thought it was written well (though I wish Raynar hadn't become a Joiner, if only because it means we'll probably get at least one more Killik book out of it). And I don't see the Chosen One prophecy being undone - though I can't comment more on that. I had a theory as to how it all fit, but I've forgotten it. But I do remember that it can fit, so I'm not bothered by it!
One last gripe:
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how the population of Coruscant/the GA, and the senate itself have once again thrown the Jedi under the bus even though they're the reason people are still alive and not enslaved.
I understand that public sentiment might have been an issue after the Empire fell after 20+ years of propaganda. But in the last 20 years the Jedi have been instrumental in saving the galaxy from the Vong, Killiks, Civil war and now Sith. And forgive me, but it wouldn't be all that hard to educate the public on what a Sith is. That isn't a particularly difficult concept.
It doesn't really make sense to me, and just is annoying.
Similarly, why they can't return to Ossus now is also a question. The recent obsession with Shadu Maau (spelled wrong I know) is beginning to bug me unbelievably.
That annoyed me, too. But I've already elaborated on this earlier. Though I will say that I liked that they've left Coruscant. I like cities, but I like my greenery, too. Hopefully, if we go away from Coruscant, then we'll get more scenes like the one in LOTF which showed how wee Jedi were taught.
In summary, I don't share some of the concerns that have been brought up (though I've yet to read the Denning interviews, so that may change!), while I do agree on some other parts. I could comfortably read books dedicated to nearly all of them.
One of the biggest highlights of the book, though, were the characterisations. Not once did I think that a character had been derailed. Even the characters that got relatively little facetime were done very well, in my opinion.
I think I've forgotten one or two points I was going to mention(, and I'm sure the points I did bring up were poorly written. My apologies). I'm sure it'll come back to me.
On a minor note, the back cover image of Jaina has grown on me. While I still don't see any Leia in her features, she does look less haggard than she did in my initial impression of her. Kind of reminds me of Emmanuelle Vaugier. Not a perfect likeness, I must say, but still.
I am a Star Wars fan. That doesn't mean that I hate or love Jar Jar. That doesn't mean I hate or love Lucas, or agree or disagree 100% with him. That doesn't mean I prefer the PT over the OT, or vice versa. That doesn't mean I hate the EU, or even love all of it. These are not prerequisites. Being a man is not a prerequisite. Being a geek is not a prerequisite. The only prerequisite is that I love something about Star Wars. I am a Star Wars fan.