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I prefer one timeline to the alternate universe idea.

Yes there are things in the continuity that need to be explained and sometimes explanations that we do get aren't what we hoped for, but if we get an AU I suspect we will have stranger things to deal with than just peacefull Mandalorians. Like members of The Big 3 getting killed off on a weekly basis or Obi-Wan being a girl.


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If LFL declared that the SWEU is AU, would that fix the continuity blotches? Would you still buy Star Wars literature?


Absolutely! I've been saying that for years. At least now it seems Filoni is admitting it's 2 universes too. Lucas has said this for a while now, and yet we get things like Mortis showing up in FotJ
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I believe that the current timeline should remain one universe, and patch it up as best as possible.

If an alternate universe were to be created, it would need to be from scratch. I'm thinking a new Infinities (for simplicity, call it "Ultimate") Episode IV adaptation, that is basically the same plot as Episode IV, but loosely adapted. Change the setting. Change some characters around (heck, switch some genders; it worked for Starbuck). Change all the little details, but have it in general be the same story: the Empire builds a weapon of mass destruction, and Rebels need to overcome incredible odds, use The Force, and destroy that weapon.

Like how the first 1-2 issues of Ultimate Spider-Man were a close adaptation of Amazing Fantasy 15. New setting, new relationships, new characters, but the same idea: Peter Parker is bitten by a funky spider, develops Spider powers, is ignorant of how to use that power, and it results in Uncle Ben's death.

From that first story, you can build forward and backward. You can make adaptations of all six films, but the ones that aren't Episode IV can be MUCH looser. You can change the entire geopolitical situation pre-Episode IV. You can do so much.

"Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father."
"He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"
*Vader removes his mask, revealing that, inside, Vader is a beautiful, albeit very sickly, woman.*
"No. Obi-Wan killed your father. He was jealous of our love. I am your mother."

The trick is that any sort of Ultimate adaptation would need to be, at its core, Star Wars, but also significantly different from the rest. Otherwise, authors will just cherrypick their favourite EU stories and repeat them. You don't need the Thrawn Trilogy replicated in the Ultimate universe. Instead, you could have an author (NOT Zahn) use Thrawn in a similar way, but the hope is that the geopolitical setting would be so different that it wouldn't be the Thrawn Trilogy, but could be something else.

Prequels could be recreated in the same way. These would need to be significantly looser adaptations then even Episodes V and VI. You could invent almost any situation here, so long as it ends with an Empire and a Rebellion fighting it. You could take it back generations, have Episode II be the rise of the Empire, and Episode III be about a Jedi rebellion (with Obi-Wan and Anakin, and the aforementioned female-Vader, for example) fighting it.

So that's my take.
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Taral-DLOS wrote:
"Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father."
"He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"
*Vader removes his mask, revealing that, inside, Vader is a beautiful, albeit very sickly, woman.*
"No. Obi-Wan killed your father. He was jealous of our love. I am your mother."



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Don't know if anyone would ever consider those options but what an idea. Pretty creative and different. It would make a great ROTS Infinities.


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If they did an alternate universe Thrawn, he should be a Republic officer. That would certainly put a spin on things. Imagine if Ackbar was instead an Imperial Grand Admiral.
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Taral-DLOS wrote:
You don't need the Thrawn Trilogy replicated in the Ultimate universe. Instead, you could have an author (NOT Zahn) use Thrawn in a similar way, but the hope is that the geopolitical setting would be so different that it wouldn't be the Thrawn Trilogy, but could be something else.


I'd preserve Timothy Zahn's Clone Wars idea from the Thrawn Trilogy. I found Zahn's idea more intriguing than George Lucas's.

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If LFL declared that the SWEU is AU, would that fix the continuity blotches? Would you still buy Star Wars literature?


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Absolutely! I've been saying that for years. At least now it seems Filoni is admitting it's 2 universes too. Lucas has said this for a while now, and yet we get things like Mortis showing up in FotJ


The universes aren't always separated, though. If Lucas Universe and EU officially severed, then it could get messy due to how related everything is. For years, the Lucas Universe and EU have been marketed as one universe. Sometimes I feel like Star Wars is leading me on, sending me mixed signals about continuity.
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Dancelittleewok wrote:
Sometimes I feel like Star Wars is leading me on, sending me mixed signals about continuity.

I feel the same, like we're being manipulated. Lucas wants to have his cake and eat it too. "The EU is fanfiction... but don't stop buying it!" Confused
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I would be very would be very unhappy if the EU was declared AU or if a different AU was created and then focused on. Part of the appeal of the Star Wars universe is the fact that it IS one cohesive story line. It is that aspect that, for me, sets it apart from any other mega-universe in fiction. If the EU was declared AU I would probably abandon Star Wars, as much as it hurts me to say.


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Honestly though there ISN'T one cohesive story. There's been attempts at it, but they're all around shoving Lucas's new ideas into already established canon. And when I say shoving I mean shoving, and on top of that they start referencing it like in Apocalypse so that they can be like "See, its working! See!? See!!?? Please see it!" but it just doesn't function like a cohesive storyline should.
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das337 wrote:
Part of the appeal of the Star Wars universe is the fact that it IS one cohesive story line. It is that aspect that, for me, sets it apart from any other mega-universe in fiction.


Yes, this! This exactly. I understand what people are saying, it should be the stories that matter, not the continuity. But that's not what makes Star Wars unique! I tried reading the Star Trek universe before I jumped into Star Wars (as much as it shames me to say), and the abysmal lack of unity among the books was laughable. I was a goner after three books, despite the stories being very well written and intriguing. But they all contradicted one another! And I just lost interest. Think up until the NJO. Star Wars was about as unified as it could possibly be. The continuity, for the most part, was completely intact. That's what made it special.

So...at least for myself, that is a very important aspect. Not just the stories, but the connections among the stories.
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The thing is that the EU isn't any more messed up with it comes to continuity then it was fifteen years ago. Yes there are some changes that Lucas is doing that drives me crazy, and likely would be more if I actually watched the cartoon, but the EU was adding things and dropping them long before the prequel movies came out. Just think of the differences just between the Heir to the Empire Trilogy, Dark Empire and then the Jedi Academy trilogy. There weren't huge differences but there were enough for me to notice. It was the major points that all lined up and that's what I think is still happening now. None of the changes Lucas has made are huge universe shaking stories that suddenly say that this story or that story never happened.


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Werehunter wrote:
The thing is that the EU isn't any more messed up with it comes to continuity then it was fifteen years ago. Yes there are some changes that Lucas is doing that drives me crazy, and likely would be more if I actually watched the cartoon, but the EU was adding things and dropping them long before the prequel movies came out. Just think of the differences just between the Heir to the Empire Trilogy, Dark Empire and then the Jedi Academy trilogy. There weren't huge differences but there were enough for me to notice. It was the major points that all lined up and that's what I think is still happening now. None of the changes Lucas has made are huge universe shaking stories that suddenly say that this story or that story never happened.


The prequels actually not only contradicted the entire EU so far, but also the original film trilogy. And TCW tv series contradicts several years of comics, novels, and other media that were there. On top of that its being forced into continuity in ways that don't make sense but its what George wants so it happens. Continuity will always have slight issues, but this is indeed universe destroying stuff he's tossing out here. Its ridiculous.
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What universe destroying changes are being made?


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Well, for instance, I shall reference Apocalypse:

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