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The Vong effect on Abeloth is facepalm worthy. I mean again the BIG BAD disappears while still being a threat.... fail.
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Something else to think about, is that while Luke Leia, and Han, are on this adventure, it would leave the timeline open for another author to write a book about only next generation heroes placed in the same time.


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Sounds good in theory but do Jaina and Ben sell books?


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Mad Wook wrote:
Sounds good in theory but do Jaina and Ben sell books?


We haven't really had any to test the market yet. I think most would buy the first couple just to see how they go. With books about non-film-but-established-characters selling well (Jaden Korr, Revan, Plagueis, Malgus) these books have the potential to be at the least interesting if not great. Its the actual act of killing the Big 3 that authors, editors, publishers, and readers are afraid of. It would have to be beyond epic and yet beautifully subtle, and who in the world could pull that off?
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Any word on when this is releasing?
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Caedus_16 wrote:
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Sounds good in theory but do Jaina and Ben sell books?


We haven't really had any to test the market yet. I think most would buy the first couple just to see how they go. With books about non-film-but-established-characters selling well (Jaden Korr, Revan, Plagueis, Malgus) these books have the potential to be at the least interesting if not great. Its the actual act of killing the Big 3 that authors, editors, publishers, and readers are afraid of. It would have to be beyond epic and yet beautifully subtle, and who in the world could pull that off?


I would definitely buy a Jaina or Ben novel but some of us aren't nearly as fickle as most consumers. But even your examples have video games to back them up, except Plagueis, which could be argued that he is a movie character.


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Mad Wook wrote:
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Sounds good in theory but do Jaina and Ben sell books?


We haven't really had any to test the market yet. I think most would buy the first couple just to see how they go. With books about non-film-but-established-characters selling well (Jaden Korr, Revan, Plagueis, Malgus) these books have the potential to be at the least interesting if not great. Its the actual act of killing the Big 3 that authors, editors, publishers, and readers are afraid of. It would have to be beyond epic and yet beautifully subtle, and who in the world could pull that off?


I would definitely buy a Jaina or Ben novel but some of us aren't nearly as fickle as most consumers. But even your examples have video games to back them up, except Plagueis, which could be argued that he is a movie character.


I'd say Dark Journey and Invincible were the closest to showcased Jaina. But that's stretching it.
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Mad Wook wrote:
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Sounds good in theory but do Jaina and Ben sell books?


We haven't really had any to test the market yet. I think most would buy the first couple just to see how they go. With books about non-film-but-established-characters selling well (Jaden Korr, Revan, Plagueis, Malgus) these books have the potential to be at the least interesting if not great. Its the actual act of killing the Big 3 that authors, editors, publishers, and readers are afraid of. It would have to be beyond epic and yet beautifully subtle, and who in the world could pull that off?


I would definitely buy a Jaina or Ben novel but some of us aren't nearly as fickle as most consumers. But even your examples have video games to back them up, except Plagueis, which could be argued that he is a movie character.


Indeed, and it had a lot of Palpatine to carry it, but we also got Knight Errant which at the time didn't have comics to back it up and had no video games attached to it either. There is also I, Jedi which sold well and is soley about Corran Horn.
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Yeah, Knight Errant is a good example of a stand alone with nothing to really support the main character outside of the comics and novels. But I can't agree on I, Jedi. To me, that is part of the X-Wing series, which was supported by a video game. But good point on KE. Also, Mark's right about DJ and Invincible, but I wonder how well they'd have sold if they weren't part of their respective series.


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In addition to Knight Errant there are a few other novels that have done at least decently without the big 3, or a major tie-in involved:

Darth Bane trilogy
Outbound Flight
Scourge (I believe it did well at least)
Coruscant Nights trilogy


While that's not an overwhelming number, I've excluded anything that has the slightest tie-in to the main movie characters or any game whatsoever.

Arguably, the X-wing series, Crosscurrent/Riptide, TFU 1/2, and The Old Republic novels could also be added to the list of "not featuring movie characters" and still doing well.


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Darth_Henning wrote:
In addition to Knight Errant there are a few other novels that have done at least decently without the big 3, or a major tie-in involved:

Darth Bane trilogy
Outbound Flight
Scourge (I believe it did well at least)
Coruscant Nights trilogy


I believe that Anakin and Obi-Wan were in Outbound Flight, and Darth Vader was definitely in Coruscant Nights (he was even on the cover of the 3rd book).
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Anakin and Obi-Wan's appearance in Outbound Flight was so insignificant though. And the Darth Band Trilogy is probably the best arguement for books that are successful AND about obscure characters that aren't in movies or video games. Those sold like crazy, were fairly well written, and were so far removed from the games or films that they themselves are the proof that it can work.
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Agreed, I loved the Darth bane books, plus I would say the majority of the market, (at least for post ROTJ books, not clone wars ones or any like that) is people who have at least read a few other EU bOoms, so I thinks its conceivable to have a jaina and Ben book.


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Yeah, good call on the Bane trilogy. That is a great series and not really connected to anything else. Like I said, I'd definitely buy a Jaina or Ben novel. As a matter of fact, I'm all for it. Let the Big 3 die already, I say.


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I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand this is actually something I've wanted to see for quite some time: the Big 3 together again like old times. They've always been separated in the last few series.

EDIT: I forgot to finish my thought haha...

On the other hand if this does involve
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I'm not sure how I feel. I really don't like Mortis and I'm not looking forward to seeing it again, but hey, this could be a blessing in disguise. Maybe Crucible will - at least start to - clean up the mess a little and make things a little more compatible. That said, I hope it can still stand on its own as a story, and not just be a continuity band aid like Darth Plagueis was (imo).

It does sound like this will be a farewell to the Big 3, but I don't think they'll die in this book (though I wondered if they picked Denning partially to arouse fan speculation), but I think this will be the last big adventure we'll see them in. Sounds like Del Rey has been listening to its fanbase. Smile


The Mortis thing is purely fan speculation at this point. And, in my opinion, not the likeliest story. When I think of Mortis in the post-ROTJ universe, it is tied always with Abeloth. Yet, in the article on the EUC main site, it states that the enemy in this is bigger than the Sith and Abeloth. It doesn't mention Mortis, yes, but I feel that you can't have a Mortis story without Abeloth. And considering that the Mortis 'threat' includes Abeloth intrinsically, I don't think it'll be about Mortis. The article does state, however, that it will have West End game villains. My impression of Mortis from Apocalypse is that Mortis, itself, isn't a threat - because at the moment there's just a vacuum. The Ones were beings that had the ability to stop Abeloth from being a threat, not that Mortis itself was a threat.

One thing that could be indicative of it having a tie to Mortis is the cover. The triquetra in the background might be a symbol seen in the Mortis arc. I recall that the Son and Daughter had specific symbols, and the Father had one that encompassed both. It should be pointed out that it's not the final cover art. It may just be pointing out that they're going to, say Tatooine. Ooh! Darth Krayt! Razz

To answer your later question, no, a firm release date hasn't been announced, but it'll be somewhere in spring 2013.

As for the Denning standalone thing, would Star By Star be counted as a standalone? As IR2 often states, the NJO isn't a series, as such, but rather merely an era with a collection of standalones, duologies and trilogies.

(Sorry, this'll be my last point. I'm catching up).

In regards to the Darth Bane books, I think they're a special case. It's a pretty special storyline, pretty special circumstance. I don't think comparing those books to a Ben or Jaina book would be accurate. To find another book that fits the criteria - that of not having any form of movie, TV or game tie in, but with similar sets of characters - I'd be hard-pressed to find one, actually. A few books in NJO could fit the bill, perhaps. The problem is that Ben and Jaina are previously established characters, and all the other examples are either tie in or are completely new, with new characters. As such, I don't think they can be properly compared.
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