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| Baloo wrote: |
| illogicalRogue2 wrote: |
I disagree- some real good stories have come from Marvel's AU's. Heck their Ultimate line is starting to rival the main one for popularity. Shibby stories can and do happen all the time. If anything the potential for stories in an AU are almost endless. |
Eh, perhaps. But my bigger point was that it makes things very confusing. |
See and I again disagree- it'd make things less confusing for me. I'd know that when things don't fit- it's do to my reading something that's meant to go with another universe- Kind of how it is now when I am reading the EU and it doesn't line up with the films. Only now I won't have to pretend that it wasn't a part until a change knocked it from canon. (which is how it works now)
| Baloo wrote: |
| What becomes the true canon then? |
The films would REMAIN canon. But those who enjoyed the EU before the split would now have it's own official canon. An EU-canon. It'd need not take things from the tv series and run with it just because some new element was introduced. (Mortis/Apocalypse)
| Baloo wrote: |
| What is the true storyline of Star Wars? |
Again- the "True story" would be the films and TCW tv show.
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| I think it just makes things utterly confusing. Why do we have to reboot? What is the point? |
See if one's not an EU fan there would feel like no reason. But long time EU fans have watched elements of stories be knocked out of canon for years. The point would be to end the need to retcon one for the sake of the other. You could have BOTH.
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| So we can see the original trilogy be ruined even more by trying to change characterizations and plotlines around? |
No... we're not talking rebooting the films- not reinventing the films- we would leave the films as they are. That part remains the same.
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| It reminds me of what Dark Empire tried to do. What If? Luke went to the Dark side? What if Palpatine came back from the dead? I personally wouldn't like to see that happen again. |
Tried?! You mean DID. This is part of my point- Dark Empire HAPPENED. Maybe not for Film only fans. Hence THOSE FANS might enjoy keeping Dark Empire out of THEIR CANON. But those who were enjoying the EU (the C-level canon story) can still enjoy theirs too without fear of the "what next George" effect.
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| illogicalRogue2 wrote: |
| As far as I recall- we've had the one Infinities series and that is it. |
And the stories were frankly terrible. Do we really need another Infinities series?  |
We'll have to agree to disagree. I enjoyed them. In fact my biggest issue with them was that they didn't continue from one into the other but that they were each treated like it's own AU. But do we "need" it- that to is a difference of opinions.
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| illogicalRogue2 wrote: |
| But I fail to see how it would make it worse? BSG got BETTER IMO with it's re-imagining. |
Battlestar Galactica doesn't hold a candle to Star Wars, I'm sorry. Star Wars is an epic saga, BSG is not. Not every sci-fi series is directly comparable. |
Baloo- I wasn't comparing BSG to SW, not even in the slightest. What I meant was that the REINVENTING of BSG was a GOOD thing for that franchise. That's all. In that case the 2 sci-fi series are comparable. As in I was comparing the premise of a reinventing for an AU.
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| illogicalRogue2 wrote: |
Let's take this new Dark Horse "Star Wars" comic series for instant- if they decided to make it a reboot series- it just runs- if there is a conflict with existing continuity- no problem- it's not a part of that universe (no different then GL sees the EU now)
I think losing the illusion would be a good thing. |
But then you always upset the fans when you try to mess around with the canon with retcons and whatnot. Fans who enjoyed the stories will be annoyed, and fans who hated them will wish they never existed. A blemish on an otherwise excellent EU. There's a reason why Star Wars has a keeper of the Holocron in the sense, someone who keeps track of all the EU. That's why there's such meticulous detail put into the books, and why Lucas has to approve everything. You can't just say "Oh I think I'll write a book about Star Wars and if it doesn't follow in with the canon, we can just say it was never part of it in the first place. |
The fans are ALWAYS upset- they won't ever please them all. So for me that point holds no water. It wouldn't be messing with what came before- that all would still exist. Just in it's own AU. But the reality is that Lucas doesn't approve everything. That is a huge misconception amongst the fans. But your example is how they treat parts of current EU works when an Author goes off and does their own thing.
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| illogicalRogue2 wrote: |
| Not between episodes 4 and 5... that era is already pretty well mapped out. That's nto to say there aren't some places still where a story could be told. But heck I'm open to redoing some older stories- Dark Empire- reimagined. I'd dig it. |
I disagree. There's plenty of room to work with before Episode IV (Especially with Han and Lando) and during/after Empire. Plus, I mean you can still fit in small stories, it's not like there are set dates for when all of these things occurred. It's a more general, event-based timeline. |
Yes- the last 2 years are pretty wide open- but this new series I am referring to isn't set in THAT end- it's set in the one that SO MANY have already chronicled. It's picking up right at ANH- well there have already been stories told set there. So unless we're going to just say "Oh I think we should write a comic book series about the big 3 set right after ANH and if it doesn't follow canon, we can just say the older stuff was never part of it in the first place." Oh wait- that IS the current practice.... Which is why I get so frustrated.
Now it'd be different if this new Star Wars comic was planning on starting at ANH- then jumping PAST the previously told stores to parts of that time frame NOT already chock full of told tales. But they won't do that.
But honestly- thanks Baloo, it's been fun hashing out my thoughts on this. Hope you're night/ day goes well- I look forward to continuing the chat! _________________
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