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  Caedus_16
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Reepicheep wrote:
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I disagree. The whole Slave Leia thing was about empowerment. Despite being degraded, she was still strong as ever. Used the symbol of her degradation (the chain) as her weapon of freedom.

I think.

Yes, and no. I see what you're saying, but the portrayal of women is possibly my biggest gripe with Star Wars. The comics are by far the worst. You could look at the slavery motif as being about empowerment (when it is overcome) or about social justice or you could look at it as mild porn. And honestly, I do.

I question whether the writers are more concerned with the themes connected to slavery or the opportunity for sexy visuals. Many plots in the comics (notice the prevalence of slavery in comics, the visual medium, and not novels) seem like contrived ways to get female leads in revealing outfits. The Quinlan Vos/Aayla Secura arc in Republic actually made me angry for it's absurdity.

I thought of Leia as a strong character well before I saw her beat enslavement and choke Jabba in a metal bikini.


Comics have always been sort of a way to cater to the "empowerment by gratuitous sexuality" thing. Have you ever read a Mark Millar script? He's the guy who wrote Kick-Ass and the main Marvel Civil War line. Whenever he writes he leaves notes to his artists like "make this a zoom-in of her a**, the fan-boys will go nuts for it" and stuff like that, coming off as a creepy old man. Even Big Bang Theory pointed this out in an episode where a woman went into the comic book store with the guys and stated that she'd like to see "...a woman who's bosom can't be used as a flotation device." I'm not ok with it all, but I don't know how the system would change at this point so I try to just ignore it. I'm more concerned with the lack of female writers and artists (let's face it, if they want to do things differently they need to get into the industry).
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Caedus_16 wrote:
Reepicheep wrote:
Taral-DLOS wrote:
I disagree. The whole Slave Leia thing was about empowerment. Despite being degraded, she was still strong as ever. Used the symbol of her degradation (the chain) as her weapon of freedom.

I think.

Yes, and no. I see what you're saying, but the portrayal of women is possibly my biggest gripe with Star Wars. The comics are by far the worst. You could look at the slavery motif as being about empowerment (when it is overcome) or about social justice or you could look at it as mild porn. And honestly, I do.

I question whether the writers are more concerned with the themes connected to slavery or the opportunity for sexy visuals. Many plots in the comics (notice the prevalence of slavery in comics, the visual medium, and not novels) seem like contrived ways to get female leads in revealing outfits. The Quinlan Vos/Aayla Secura arc in Republic actually made me angry for it's absurdity.

I thought of Leia as a strong character well before I saw her beat enslavement and choke Jabba in a metal bikini.


Comics have always been sort of a way to cater to the "empowerment by gratuitous sexuality" thing. Have you ever read a Mark Millar script? He's the guy who wrote Kick-Ass and the main Marvel Civil War line. Whenever he writes he leaves notes to his artists like "make this a zoom-in of her a**, the fan-boys will go nuts for it" and stuff like that, coming off as a creepy old man. Even Big Bang Theory pointed this out in an episode where a woman went into the comic book store with the guys and stated that she'd like to see "...a woman who's bosom can't be used as a flotation device." I'm not ok with it all, but I don't know how the system would change at this point so I try to just ignore it. I'm more concerned with the lack of female writers and artists (let's face it, if they want to do things differently they need to get into the industry).



Plus in the comics (thinking Agent of the Empire here) all the women are size DD bust and rail skinny as well. A common theme in this visual medium.
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Comics and video games in particular take the whole sexualizing female characters thing to absurd levels, while the whole time the writers brag about what "strong female characters" they have, using the logic that a woman who is empowered will be comfortable with her body to the point where she doesn't mind displaying it. Why that line of thinking? Because it lets them pretend to be progressive while giving the teenage fanboys what they want. You hardly ever see a "strong male character" running around in barely nothing. I find it sad that when I saw The Avengers, I was actually excited because Black Widow spent 95% of the film fully clothed. Granted, it was a tight bodysuit, but it was more on par with what the male characters wore. Just gonna leave this here and I'm done. Someone drew this with the title "What if the male Avengers posed like the female one?"

Original Avengers promo:


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@Padme: Ok admittedly that is hilarious. And on the note of not putting male characters in skimpy outfits you clearly haven't seen the original Robin costume...
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Granted, the Robin outfit has always been...awkward, but I think we can agree that it's never been, uh, sexy.
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I too dig the humor there. But one could say in the original- Widow had the teams back. No one can sneak up on the team with her facing the rear of their formation.

Laughing

Comics are a tough one. Almost everyone's beautiful. And almost all women.
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illogicalRogue2 wrote:
I too dig the humor there. But one could say in the original- Widow had the teams back. No one can sneak up on the team with her facing the rear of their formation.

Laughing


Right. I'm sure that was exactly what they were going for. Wink
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Hilarious Padme, and good points.

Comics for the most part are so ridiculous that it almost has to be a different conversation.
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