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Ok, saw TDKR for a third time (my mom bought me and my dad tickets for this morning in IMAX for our birthdays). I have to post a review now, I've waited and waited but the time seems right.

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I think my list would be:

1. The Avengers
2. Iron Man
3. Captain America
4. Thor
5. Iron Man 2
6. The Incredible Hulk

Possibly switching 4 and 5, as I quite enjoyed Iron Man 2. But I also quite enjoyed Thor. So I'll leave it as is for now. Smile
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I see we have similar tastes. Great minds think alike. Wink


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here's one of the best reviews of the batman movies I've heard, by some guy whose username is Ace_G-Man.

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Incidentally, if Nolan's Batman is supposed to be so 'realistic,' how come he doesn't actually fight organized crime, as was his stated goal? How come all three of Nolan's movies were about outlandish supervilliains who wanted nothing other than the destruction of the city?

-Begins: Gotham is attacked by an Irish ninja with fear-gas.

-Dark Knight: Gotham is attacked by a psychotic clown who 'wants to watch the world burn.' Batman abducts a Chinese accountant.

-Dark Knight Rises: Gotham is attacked by a WWE ninja with exploding concrete and a nuclear generator. Two lines are spared that tell us there is 'no organized crime in Gotham anymore.'

The only 'realistic' villain Batman faced in the entire trilogy was Falcone, and he was taken out in the middle of the first movie. No, Batman wasn't fighting crime because Nolan couldn't make three movies of the Dark Knight punching out mobsters interesting. He was fighting terrorism dressed up as supervillainy. Nolan has made three James Bond movies in disguise.

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Can't people just enjoy a movie without picking it apart? Movies are supposed to be fun and all people want to do is whine and complain. It's just a friggin movie.


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Mad Wook wrote:
Can't people just enjoy a movie without picking it apart?


No. Some people even get paid to do it for living.
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That seems like an unhappy way to live.


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@DPW: Batman started fighting organized crime in the comics to, but it escalated. They discussed that in the end of Batman Begins to cover that query. Batman fights what is there, even though it isn't the whole reason he started.

EDIT: I noticed other problems with that review. For one thing he's pointing out that Batman went to China to retrieve Laos as a pointless moment, and yet that all had to do with bringing down the mob. Laos was the money-launderer and had to be retrieved. The Joker only got on the playing field because the first half of the movie was about the mob, and even towards the end Batman attacked Sal Maroni in that club and then Dent murdered him at the end. The Joker was the villain, but the mob was still the real point. And Dent's death allowed them the end organized crime. Only the third film stepped away from the organized crime thing.

Their gripe about non-realistic villains works for #1 and #3, but the Joker is just a psychopath with a lot of brilliance. Even his gripe about the "WWE Ninja Wrestler" fits Joel Schumacher's version of Bane more than Nolan's.

All that review did was pick out gripes while exposing that the reviewer paid zero attention to the plot as a whole. That's not one of the good reviews, its one of the bad ones. There are plenty of well written negative reviews, but all that one did was expose that the writer cared more about making complaints than paying attention to the plot.
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Caedus_16 wrote:
I would have tossed Iron Man 2 at the bottom...tossed the whole movie out completely actually, it was just bad to me...


Yeah, Iron Man 2 definitely wasn't as good as the first one, but even with it's problems I'd still rank it higher than the Captain America and Hulk cheesefests.

And I don't know why everyone likes Thor, I couldn't keep a straight face through that one. The whole concept of it was just so laughably stupid.


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Its a fan thing. I've been reading the comics for years and I liked how they brought it to screen. Its all laughable when you think about it, which is why most superhero movies require suspension of belief.
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Mad Wook wrote:
That seems like an unhappy way to live.


That's because you only see it as a negative thing. For people who like to analyze a movie that is also where the enjoyment of the movie comes from. After watching a movie I like to have discussions about it with friends and on here. A lot of people are content to just watch a movie and measure whether they were entertained while watching it as the mark of success and then stop thinking about it afterwards.

In that same way, I almost never fail to be entertained by a movie because even for a bad movie I get to make fun of all the stupid things about it and that is the fun of watching bad movies. They provide some value still, so the negative is partially positive.

The Batman thing was just kind of a joke about how the movies really aren't that realistic. Of course the joke is that it's a frickin comic book superhero, so no it's not realistic at all no matter what you do. As C16 said, you have to suspend disbelief. I think the Nolan Batman movies are excellent and I don't complain about them as movies, but joke about how silly the concept of "realistic" superheroes is, because superheroes are pretty silly in the first place- and again, that's why we like them.
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To be honest though if we were going to get a realistic superhero movie that's about as close as we'll get lol.

I like analyzing movies and nit-picking, its fun for me, but some critics are pathetic about it. They live more to find issues than to look at plot. I miss the old days when reviewing a movie meant looking at it as a whole. Now it means finding what you can to gripe about and playing devil's advocate for no other reason than to get insulting towards a movie. There is an African-American reviewer on Rotton Tomatoes who will automatically rate a movie no higher than 60% if it doesn't have an African-American lead, likewise with a female reviewer there if the lead isn't female. Its all opinion and people forget that in the attempted high-mindedness of it but its all entertainment. I think most movies can be entertaining (I found Abe Lincoln: Vampire Hunter to be so bad I couldn't help but enjoy it) but its just my opinion and I think Mad Wook's problem was that some people just live to destroy when they have no ability to create.
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There are people who will hate on anything that is popular, just because it's popular to prove that they are somehow above everyone else and the only person who can think for themselves. I think it goes both ways. I hate to hear a movie hyped because I'd rather judge it on it's own merits.

I guess I would rather hear a negative review because people can point out what they think are flaws and you can decide if you think those things matter to you or are just pointless nitpicks. On the other hand it's hard to convey why you think something is good because that is often pretty subjective; what you relate to may not relate to others.

The one thing I really don't like is the pseudo-profundity. You hear it all the time on IMDB. If someone doesn't like a movie it was because they "didn't get it". Just because a movie is hard to understand doesn't mean that it's deep and profound. In a movie that you don't like this is usually considered a gimmick to cover-up the gaping plot holes. A lot of these movies are just confusing on purpose, but they really aren't that hard to understand if you think about them. Think the Architect in the Matrix. That confusing and mind-blowing revelation is called exposition, it's when a character tells the audience what they are supposed to know and it's the sign of a either a bad writer that can't convey those ideas through the story itself, or thinks that the audience is too dumb to understand them if they did and needs it explained to them. The fact that you still didn't understand what the hell the dude is talking about should clue you in to which one it is.

The other side of that is a filmmaker like Aranofsky, his movies are deep and thought provoking both inside and out of the films, but not through the plot which is straight-forward and not hard to understand. His most confusing movie is Black Swan because it's about a person going crazy, but you know that it's about a person going crazy so that's not a mystery. If that movie was being made by a lot of other people in hollywood it would pull a "gotcha! You think she's crazy, she's actually being attacked by real bird monsters!" an you'd leave the theater going WTF? and everyone else would tell you that it was brilliant, but you just didn't get it.
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