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  Mara Jade Skywalker
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Finally saw The Amazing Spider-man today. You know...considering I never heard a bad thing about it, I really wasn't impressed. It's hard to compare this to the original, as they're honestly rather different. But I heard someone say, and it's what I've been trying to figure out how to say, this lacked the heart of the originals.

The Amazing Spider-man was better made, I'll give it that. But the villain wasn't very interesting, and the plot seemed choppy and not entirely well thought out. The romance seemed explosively there all of a sudden, also Flash becoming Peter's best friend. Spider-man went after Uncle Ben's killer, but never seemed to find him. So that was left, and Uncle Ben's responsibility speech was kind of lame. Gwen's dad is suddenly all buddy-buddy with Peter, whom he never liked much in the first place, even though he's discovered he's Spider-man, whom he practically hates. Spider-man and the Lizard have an epic battle in the school, tearing it to shreds, but everyone returns to school a few scenes later, and all is well. No damage whatsoever. Peter also waltzes into Oscorp with no security whatsoever. Grab a badge, no need for ID. Most implausible scene for me. Not that it needed to be entirely plausible, as it's a superhero movie, but let's try for a little credibility.

So...I didn't mean to bash it quite so much, as I enjoyed it. But there was just something about it that left me...disappointed. I thought I would watch this and decide it was better than the original, considering the lower budget and sometimes horrific special effects in the first movie. Also Mary Jane's occasional annoying scene. But I didn't. It almost made me appreciate the original more. Sad

Anyway, not sure where all the hype came from. I think the biggest things about the film were that I had no interest in the villain, and I never empathized with Peter. I did cry when Uncle Ben died, so kudos for the emotional scene. But I just never connected with Peter Parker.

Ah, well. Maybe I haven't given it time. The original did end up with a trilogy. So we'll see.
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Here's another article about how unrealistic batman is

http://www.cracked.com/article_18968_5-reasons-there-must-be-corpses-buried-under-batcave.html

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And that's not even talking about the everyday maintenance that would come with a facility located in a huge cave. For one, you have the bats. Thousands of bats *****ing on all of your stuff all the time...Maybe that's part of the problem with the world, that all of the kids want to grow up to be Batman, but nobody wants to be the guy who takes out Batman's trash.

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To my knowledge Christopher Nolan never set out to do realistic to the Nth Batman movies, he set out to make Batman more realistic and grounded than he normally is (e.g. no Mr. Freeze or Poison Ivy). And I think he succeeded. Superheroes need supervillains. If Batman only fought the mob it wouldn't be as interesting. The mob is after money, power, sex, drugs etc. They're simple-minded and would get boring pretty fast. The Joker on the other hand is something completely different and Batman doesn't know how to fight him.
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That's really the great thing about Batman, it's definitely self-aware of absurdity of superheroes. To me that is crucial to the genre.

Remember the monologue in Kill Bill where Bill compares Superman and Batman? With Superman; his costume, those are just his clothes. He's got a big red S on his shirt because in Kryptonian his family seal happens to look like a latin alphabet S.

With Batman, it's a dude dressed like a Bat. If you saw that you'd think, "He's @#$%ing crazy!" And he is, Batman is @#$%ing crazy. And that's what the bad guys think before he pounds them into the dirt.
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Mara Jade Skywalker wrote:
Finally saw The Amazing Spider-man today. You know...considering I never heard a bad thing about it, I really wasn't impressed. It's hard to compare this to the original, as they're honestly rather different. But I heard someone say, and it's what I've been trying to figure out how to say, this lacked the heart of the originals.

The Amazing Spider-man was better made, I'll give it that. But the villain wasn't very interesting, and the plot seemed choppy and not entirely well thought out. The romance seemed explosively there all of a sudden, also Flash becoming Peter's best friend. Spider-man went after Uncle Ben's killer, but never seemed to find him. So that was left, and Uncle Ben's responsibility speech was kind of lame. Gwen's dad is suddenly all buddy-buddy with Peter, whom he never liked much in the first place, even though he's discovered he's Spider-man, whom he practically hates. Spider-man and the Lizard have an epic battle in the school, tearing it to shreds, but everyone returns to school a few scenes later, and all is well. No damage whatsoever. Peter also waltzes into Oscorp with no security whatsoever. Grab a badge, no need for ID. Most implausible scene for me. Not that it needed to be entirely plausible, as it's a superhero movie, but let's try for a little credibility.

So...I didn't mean to bash it quite so much, as I enjoyed it. But there was just something about it that left me...disappointed. I thought I would watch this and decide it was better than the original, considering the lower budget and sometimes horrific special effects in the first movie. Also Mary Jane's occasional annoying scene. But I didn't. It almost made me appreciate the original more. Sad

Anyway, not sure where all the hype came from. I think the biggest things about the film were that I had no interest in the villain, and I never empathized with Peter. I did cry when Uncle Ben died, so kudos for the emotional scene. But I just never connected with Peter Parker.

Ah, well. Maybe I haven't given it time. The original did end up with a trilogy. So we'll see.


Haha a lot of your complaints about the movie are some of my loves!

1. I loved Garfield as Peter. He made him less pathetic and more connectable, plus I love the actor.

2. The Lizard was botched a bit, I'll agree to that. One of the biggest things in the comics about the Lizard is that he is still a genius but is unaware that he is Kurt Conners. Conners knows he is the Lizard, but not vice-versa.

3. I thought the adorable little romance worked. It is similar to things I've seen amongst high schoolers before when working with them, the romances blossom quickly and some even occasionally have something to them.

4. Flash was less Peter's buddy and more less antagonistic towards him. It all had to do with Ben dying, no one really wanted to be THAT much of a monster with that situation.

All in all your other complaints are some that I had, but I still liked it better than Raimi's first movie. Toby MacGuire was pathetic as Peter Parker, and Peter was always supposed to be more human, funny, AND pathetic. I thought Garfield nailed that pretty well and Emma Stone will make a good Gwen if given more time.
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Dog-Poop_Walker wrote:
That's really the great thing about Batman, it's definitely self-aware of absurdity of superheroes. To me that is crucial to the genre.

Remember the monologue in Kill Bill where Bill compares Superman and Batman? With Superman; his costume, those are just his clothes. He's got a big red S on his shirt because in Kryptonian his family seal happens to look like a latin alphabet S.

With Batman, it's a dude dressed like a Bat. If you saw that you'd think, "He's @#$%ing crazy!" And he is, Batman is @#$%ing crazy. And that's what the bad guys think before he pounds them into the dirt.


I loved that Bill on Superman speech.

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Batman is actually Bruce Wayne, Spider-Man is actually Peter Parker. When that character wakes up in the morning, he's Peter Parker. He has to put on a costume to become Spider-Man. And it is in that characteristic Superman stands alone. Superman didn't become Superman. Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he's Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red "S", that's the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears - the glasses, the business suit - that's the costume. That's the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent. He's weak... he's unsure of himself... he's a coward. Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race.


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Just finished Aliens. Aside from Prometheus, the Alien movies didn't advance the overall plot - just recycled the same story. Ripley and Shaw made it bearable. More than anything else, these films revolved around the female heroines. The aliens were window dressing. I didn't learn anything new about Weyland or the aliens, but I know who Ripley and Shaw are at their core. That's what made it exciting. Hopefully, Prometheus's sequel will give the aliens a history with Elizaebeth Shaw unveiling a new mystery.
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So saw the new Bourne today, and LOVED it. It runs concurrent to Ultimatum, for most of it, and they included that perfectly. It had a slightly darker feel to it, which was kind of a nice change up. It played in perfectly with the original trilogy, and yet still stood slightly apart, and the genetics aspect was not over done, and made sense. They ended it perfectly for Matt Damon to come back for the next, one, which they've said is there goal, so here's hoping!!
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Saw Total Recall a bit ago with my friends. Decent movie, nothing special at all, but fun, entertaining, and very pretty to look at. Visually it was extremely Blade Runner. As to the differences between it and the original film I have no complaints, this made more sense overall anyway.

Oh, and the random three-breasted hooker is back for a cameo. Really freaked me out to see that on a 3 story screen.
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Caedus_16 wrote:
Saw Total Recall a bit ago with my friends. Decent movie, nothing special at all, but fun, entertaining, and very pretty to look at. Visually it was extremely Blade Runner. As to the differences between it and the original film I have no complaints, this made more sense overall anyway.

Oh, and the random three-breasted hooker is back for a cameo. Really freaked me out to see that on a 3 story screen.


Well the original was a terrible movie so the remake ought to be an improvement. Smile


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Jedi Joe wrote:
Caedus_16 wrote:
Saw Total Recall a bit ago with my friends. Decent movie, nothing special at all, but fun, entertaining, and very pretty to look at. Visually it was extremely Blade Runner. As to the differences between it and the original film I have no complaints, this made more sense overall anyway.

Oh, and the random three-breasted hooker is back for a cameo. Really freaked me out to see that on a 3 story screen.


Well the original was a terrible movie so the remake ought to be an improvement. Smile


The original was awesome in that "Its so bad that its good" way, at least to me. This one just made me wish Ridley Scott would return to Blade Runner. Like I said though, its fun and as long as you aren't expecting Shakespeare its an entertaining movie Smile
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Jedi Joe wrote:
Well the original was a terrible movie...


Evil or Very Mad NOO

If you think it is cheesy, it's because it's meant to be. Those movies are modern art social and Hollywood-movie satires. For the real Verhoeven look at movies like Basic Instinct and the Black Book. He also has probably the lone distinction of a director to win Film of the Century in his homeland The Netherlands for Turkish Delight and Worst Film Ever Made in America for his surrealist masterpiece Showgirls.
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Dog-Poop_Walker wrote:
Jedi Joe wrote:
Well the original was a terrible movie...


Evil or Very Mad NOO

If you think it is cheesy, it's because it's meant to be. Those movies are modern art social and Hollywood-movie satires. For the real Verhoeven look at movies like Basic Instinct and the Black Book. He also has probably the lone distinction of a director to win Film of the Century in his homeland The Netherlands for Turkish Delight and Worst Film Ever Made in America for his surrealist masterpiece Showgirls.


Suttealist masterpiece Showgirls Shocked Dog-Poop man you are to kind.
But yeah, Total Recall (original) was cheesy, because it was a cheesy era. Philip K. Dick never wrote Sith like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9qHeo_JT14
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I finally saw The Dark Knight Rises. Overall, I felt it was a very satisfying ending. I don't have time to post a detailed review right now, but I'm currently leaning toward choosing Batman Begins as my favorite of the trilogy.
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Hogy wrote:

This remains to be one of the worst cinema moments in history for me.
"Shoot your wife in the head, with a grin on your face, why don't you psycho."
"And consider it a divorce."

Sometimes facepalm just doesn't cut it.



You know what Paul Verhoeven does when he's not making movies? He writes academic articles on theology and literary anthropology. The guy understand myth and symbolism.

Yeah, it sounds pretentious as hell, but think about it. The thing is that you don't think about it. That's what I've been trying to talk about with looking at movies. It's purposely dumb so you don' think about how smart it really is. That's why it's modern art.


Verhoeven's Sci-fi action trilogy is parodying the genre because it is absurd, but it's also celebrating it and those are true genre films, presented totally seriously. But if you try to take them seriously, they seem silly because they are. It's just like with superheroes.

Robo-cop is about 80's Reaganomics; Corporate greed, militarization and violence in media. It's an analogy for the war on drugs. It's hyper-violent because it's very much against that and that's the absurdity. It's the least subtle one because it needed to be the most shocking for the time. The plot is literally about a guy who is responsible for upholding law and order who is incapable of thinking or feeling and does what he is told with maximum brutal force.

Total-Recall is a critique on male fantasy fulfillment and action movies. Come on, you think a woman with three breasts is serious? You got a scene where a guy basically says, "You think that you are in an action movie about spies and mars? That's stupid. You're just some dude having a dream." And in the running theme here, the protagonist is actually the villain. The memorable cheesy line where Arnold is referring to himself: "That guy's a ****ing ***hole!" And you got the evil corporate dude from Robo-cop in the same role again.

Starship Troopers is about militarism and media propaganda, but also a genuine space opera. The novel it is parodying was pro-fascism and the bugs were an analogy to communism. "The only good bug is a dead bug!" It's eerily prescient to the War on Terror. You got a guy with his arms and legs missing exclaiming, "The mobile infantry made me the man I am today!" The on scene correspondent: "Some people say that the bugs have a live-and let-live policy and they are only showing aggression because humans have encroached on their territory. What do you say soldier? 'I say, Kill Em All!' "
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