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Dancelittleewok wrote:
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Traviss didn't write Wild Space. Karen Miller did.

Also, I'm assuming Pablo knows a bit more about what's happening than we do so I'll give him the benefit when it comes to moving Allegiance and Choices of One.


My bad. Remembered it was a Karen. Picked the wrong one.

Point stands. It was a poor line to include that added nothing to the story but caused problems down the road.


Expanded Universe is Star Wars tie in literature. To sell books, they're gonna have a lot of books during this time even to the point where Han, Luke, and Leia are doing everything simultaneously. It doesn't make in-universe sense, but from from a business point of view, I totally get it.
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There's still plenty of room to do Han/Leia/Luke stories, they just have to start thinking about when to set them a little more.

There are roughly 75 works between ANH and 1 year ABY. Yet from 13 months to 3 years ABY (ESB) there are only about 30 (this is based on my last timeline update, numbers for both are slightly higher but you get the idea). Somewhat disproportionate.

There is no reason that all the "classic trilogy" stories have to occur OMGZ, ITS RIGT AFTER ANH GUYZ!!.

There's two years of timeline where they can tell the same stories without everything crushing together, and it would have little to no effect on the stories/plot lines themselves.

This is why it bugs me that Allegiance and Choices are moved from the very logical date of 2 ABY to 1 ABY in the ERC, because it just creates more problems unnecessarily.

By all means, expand on the classic stories, that's what draws a lot of people to Star Wars in the first place. But take a few moments to consider the loyal fans too.


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I wonder if Allegiance and Choices of One were moved because of Scoundrels' place in the timeline, and they had to allow enough time between stories?
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I wonder if Allegiance and Choices of One were moved because of Scoundrels' place in the timeline, and they had to allow enough time between stories?


Surprisingly (to me anyway), Scoundrels is even earlier in the timeline (in the order of a few weeks after Yavin).

That though, actually makes sense when you mesh it with the Marvel comics, etc where Han loses his reward money and needs to get it back.

I'm not against putting something in that timeframe if it fits with established canon. Just don't cram it in for funzies.


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The thing that surprised me a bit was that they put Coruscant Nights II and III, as well as the entire Last of the Jedi series as taking place c.18 BBY. Before Coruscant Nights II and III, plus most of Last of the Jedi was said to take place in 19 BBY.


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I still don't even have an estimated delivery date for mine. Evil or Very Mad

Once, just once, I would like an essential guide on release day!
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mbruno wrote:
The thing that surprised me a bit was that they put Coruscant Nights II and III, as well as the entire Last of the Jedi series as taking place c.18 BBY. Before Coruscant Nights II and III, plus most of Last of the Jedi was said to take place in 19 BBY.


Actually, Coruscant Nights was always kinda-sorta 18 BBY. According to Sue the dates were (thanks to Arawn for posting this in my timeline thread so I didn't have to dig):

Jedi Twilight: 18.8 BBY
Street of Shadows: 18.46 BBY
Patterns of Force: 18.3 BBY

I'm taking these as continuing to be the official dates. I am a tad surprised that they mixed Last of the Jedi into the same time frame though. I had taken it as occurring afterwards because the portrayal of Obi-wan in the first couple books makes it seem like he's been on Tatooine for a while at that point.

Additionally, it means that Vader is jumping back and forth quite a bit between dealing with Pavan and Olin. But it is workable given the time-length of each work.


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Dude, remember that you're dealing with negative numbers.

18.X BBY takes place in Calendar Year 19 BBY. It starts at precisely 19 years before the Battle of Yavin and ends at 18 years + 1 <time> before the Battle.
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Taral-DLOS wrote:
Dude, remember that you're dealing with negative numbers.

18.X BBY takes place in Calendar Year 19 BBY. It starts at precisely 19 years before the Battle of Yavin and ends at 18 years + 1 <time> before the Battle.


That is a somewhat strange way of phrasing it. But technically yes.

I'm just saying that the references that put it at 18 years before have only ever used 18 with the respective decimals, so it is 18 years before (from a certain point of view), as it is technically not yet 19 years before.

Semantics I know.


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18.8 BBY = 19 BBY
18 BBY = 18 BBY

If they chose to use the term "18 BBY" in the Reader's Companion, then it's a genuinely new date and not semantic re-interpretation. Possibly to space the series a bit from all of the ROTS tie-ins.
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Darth_Henning wrote:
Street of Shadows: 18.46 BBY

18.46 BBY? So precise. Laughing
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Taral-DLOS wrote:
18.8 BBY = 19 BBY
18 BBY = 18 BBY

If they chose to use the term "18 BBY" in the Reader's Companion, then it's a genuinely new date and not semantic re-interpretation. Possibly to space the series a bit from all of the ROTS tie-ins.

Yeah, this. Pablo has tried to clean up some stuff hence the timeline changes. The ERC entries are the new corrected dates.
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So for those of you who have it already, what is your favorite piece of art work? There are so many awesome ones! I'm only half way threw but so far the outbound flight art of C'baoth going all Vader style on Thrawn
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Well, I really like the pic of Mace, Nick Rostu and Chalk on Haruun Kal.

Also the one of Luke, Jacen and Jaina facing off with Shimra and his warriors.
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For sentimental reasons, my favorite is the group shot of the Young Jedi Knights. I believe that was done by either Joe Corroney or Jeff Carlisle and Chris Scalf.
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