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Err, well one more thing: on opening doors. I open doors for people. I do so out of courtesy, not because I'm a chivalrous knight or think women are dainty things that need doors opened for them, but because it's the nice thing to do. I open the door for males and females.


I knew I wasn't the only one lol Very Happy

Seriously though, my dad was a Rush Limbaugh fan. Ugh.
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Rush Limbaugh is a loud, obnoxious, piggish toad. Ignore him, I'm embarrassed that anyone sides with him on anything.


Really? I even side with Obama on some issues, lol. This might be off topic, but its usually not the best idea to write off everything someone believes, especially when you most likely only hear selective or out of context quotes from them on some partisan website or show. Just my two cents.

And no, I am not a Limbaugh fan.

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Autobon, did you even read the article I linked? That argument is in there. Of course, it depends on variables, and I'm not denying that. But as a straight, white male in U.S. society, you still have the potential of advantage.

As a white female, I know at the start I have it better than minority females in this country (I probably have it better than a lot of minority males). I also know I have no control over this, but neither does any minority. It is what it is. I can, however, at least acknowledge that I was born with this advantage.

And if you think being a white male is not an advantage, think of this:

You're never going to be subjected to a traffic stop by police simply because you're a minority male.

Should you have the misfortune to go to prison, your sentence will not automatically be higher because you are a minority male.

Your chances of being raped are 1 in 70. Mine are 1 in 5.

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BTW I apologize if anything I have said has offended you. We aren't seeing eye-to-eye on this subject, but I've seen you around here enough to know that you are smart, funny, and a good person. I apologize for taking a shot at your Ewan McGregor post. It was a low blow.


Thanks, Caedus, I appreciate that. I understand I pushed a hot button for you, and I wasn't offended. I can totally understand how "straight, white male" can feel like stereotyping. I get mine pushed on another forum when I'm told I can't possibly suffer from discrimination because I'm white. Thereby, proving that I can be.

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Marijuana can also be used for medical purposes, but should companies cover its use also?


Well, yes, if it's for medicinal properties. Just as heroin for medicinal purposes is covered (in some countries but not the US which is a whole other issue I don't want to get into right now). You know there are a lot of drugs that have a recreational use and a medical use which are covered for medical usage.

Viagra isn't one of them. It is recreational use only. But it's still covered while birth control isn't. It is a double standard.
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If it's for medical use, certainly. I misunderstood the request to include all uses, regardless of purpose.

And I also apologize for any offensive statements. I have no ill will toward any of you, and certainly do not mean to portray it. Smile
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I would just like to note that I strongly support equal pay. But only when adjusted for years and time worked in a job.

Can you provide your source for what you referenced in your post? When it comes to these things, I really like to read the articles too.

Based on what's posted, it seems you guys are making the case for reverse sexism. Do any other girls want to comment on this topic?


I can. Pulled most of that from a paper I wrote for a class a few years back.

I'll dig up links to the sources that I can get online after my exam on Friday.


I'm not saying that reverse sexism is a huge issue, but its reaching the point where its making a difference. Its only about 1/3 as bad as regular sexism, but to me that just means that there are two issues. Yet one never seems to be addressed, when IMHO both should be sought to be eliminated.

More-so I wanted to make the point that some statistics used to show how "bad" sexism still is may be slightly overinterpreted.

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But that doesn't negate the fact that my three straight, white sons still get the lowest difficulty setting in Real Life.


Cerrinea, I am going to have to agree with Caedus here; being a white male does not guarantee any privileges in life, and it is quickly becoming an increasing negative. Just try applying for a scholarship - you are effectively last on the list due to stereotypes and affirmative action policies.


I'm also going to have to side on this one here.

Being a white male, while certainly not a life-altering detriment, does not grant a person as many favors as one might think. The point about scholarships, or anything academic, is very VERY true.

As an example, I'm going to point to my own medical school class. In my city, the proportion of the population that is of a visible minority is 23.7%. Yet in my class, roughly 48% are visible minorities. I'll let you draw your own conclusions on that.

(For those wondering, we also have a slight female over-representation, but its only a 3% difference from population demographics, so easily explained by error)

On a more anecdotal point, out of boredom a few months back, I looked over graduation programs, course calendars, and the monthly newsletter for my four years of undergrad. Of the students photographed to represent the school: 10% caucasian male, 30% caucasian female, 35% visible minority males, 25% visible minority females.

You'll notice a bias for both females and visible minorities.

I fully support addressing the historical gender and racial discrimination that have existed. But there's also such a thing as being reactionary and going too far in the other direction.

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Well, yes, if it's for medicinal properties. Just as heroin for medicinal purposes is covered (in some countries but not the US which is a whole other issue I don't want to get into right now). You know there are a lot of drugs that have a recreational use and a medical use which are covered for medical usage.

Viagra isn't one of them. It is recreational use only. But it's still covered while birth control isn't. It is a double standard.


Hold on. This is about medical insurance right? I'm Canadian so forgive my lack of knowledge about the American system, but Viagra is covered and BC isn't? That shocks me.


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Thanks, Caedus, I appreciate that. I understand I pushed a hot button for you, and I wasn't offended. I can totally understand how "straight, white male" can feel like stereotyping. I get mine pushed on another forum when I'm told I can't possibly suffer from discrimination because I'm white. Thereby, proving that I can be.


It happens a lot actually. I don't disagree that there can be advantages to being a straight white male, but it is by far not all of us and one day I'll write an autobiography about how wrong the generalization is.

As to your 3 straight white sons I'll say that they have it easier perhaps because of the level to which you have provided for them? If that's the case it says more about your excellent mother skills than anything else.

On the topic of gender issues I was talking with a new girl at work (she's cute and fun, I can't resist flirting at least a little) and she's really aggressive with how forward she is. Its kind of off-putting because of what I'm used to but its something I'm seeing more of. I'm kind of starting to like it honestly, but its another of those things that is becoming more normal. Just throwing out an observation.
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Caedus_16 wrote:
Seriously though, my dad was a Rush Limbaugh fan. Ugh.


My dad is a Rush Limbaugh fan. Double ugh.

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I fully support addressing the historical gender and racial discrimination that have existed. But there's also such a thing as being reactionary and going too far in the other direction.


What type of policy would you have instead?
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Dancelittleewok wrote:
Caedus_16 wrote:
Seriously though, my dad was a Rush Limbaugh fan. Ugh.


My dad is a Rush Limbaugh fan. Double ugh.

And I've never heard of Rush Limbaugh. Very Happy

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In fact when applying for college I can't get much help financially because I'm white, male, and only of average GPA.

Can I just say how dumb I think pandering to minorities because they've been discriminated in the past is? An equal, opposite discrimination policy isn't the answer... there just shouldn't be any discrimination. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Dancelittleewok wrote:
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I fully support addressing the historical gender and racial discrimination that have existed. But there's also such a thing as being reactionary and going too far in the other direction.


I think you meant to quote Darth_Henning instead of me. Laughing


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Autobon wrote:
Dancelittleewok wrote:
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I fully support addressing the historical gender and racial discrimination that have existed. But there's also such a thing as being reactionary and going too far in the other direction.


I think you meant to quote Darth_Henning instead of me. Laughing


That'll teach me to be half asleep and post at the same time. Wink
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Reepicheep wrote:
And I've never heard of Rush Limbaugh. Very Happy


Consider yourself lucky.

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In fact when applying for college I can't get much help financially because I'm white, male, and only of average GPA.

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Can I just say how dumb I think pandering to minorities because they've been discriminated in the past is? An equal, opposite discrimination policy isn't the answer... there just shouldn't be any discrimination. Two wrongs don't make a right.


It isn't pandering when you're trying to level the playing field so that the barriers to advancement are no longer in place. It just isn't as simple as saying there should be no discrimination. From where minorities had/have to start, they're already behind the curve. It takes more than one generation to wipe that disadvantage out.
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I heard in the news today that there's a case in Texas where someone is suing a university for giving minorities advantages in enrollment, and that the case might actually have a chance of winning, which could overrule the standard for all colleges across the country.
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Yes, a good example. Discriminating in the other direction does not balance the equation. It just switches the issue from one side to the other.
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Cerrinea wrote:
It isn't pandering when you're trying to level the playing field so that the barriers to advancement are no longer in place. It just isn't as simple as saying there should be no discrimination. From where minorities had/have to start, they're already behind the curve. It takes more than one generation to wipe that disadvantage out.

The playing field will be leveled eventually. I think it's important that we stop discriminating here and now.
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Indeed!

I too was raised to open doors for ladies, children, and the elderly. But this never stopped me for opening the door for my fellow man. (By this I mean humans in general- I see it as a good karma thing- somedays I need the door held cause my hands are full with kids)

You just never know when someone will take an action or phrase out of context. And when it happens I try to look the other way and go about my day as if it didn't happen.
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