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 PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:46 am Reply with quote  
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It's still around a year away from hitting our televisions, but yesterday the first teaser for Star Wars: Rebels aired on Disney XD. I'm sure a lot of you have already seen it but if you haven't, here's the link.

http://youtu.be/O1_F7zg4B30

At only 15 seconds long and shows practically nothing except a star destroyer, however my alarm bells are already ringing about this project. The voiceover proclaims "A rebel alliance will form, the Jedi will rise, and you will know the power of the force".

What concerns me here is the "Jedi will rise" part, I was hoping for a show focusing on the non-Jedi aspect of the Rebel Alliance. A New Hope and the rest of the Original Trilogy hinges on the fact that the Jedi have been extinct or at very least inactive/in hiding for two decades. I can get over a TV show not meshing with the EU but I would be seriously disappointed if it detracted from the movies.

Anyhow, I thought we could do with a thread for discussion of the show, our hopes, fears, expectations and excitement.
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Nothing but agreement here. They mention the titular muggles once, and the Jedi twice. That bodes ill for Luke as something special, or the EU as legitimate.

On TFN there is widespread fear of Ahsoka being the Alliance's go-to Jedi.
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DarthMRN wrote:
Nothing but agreement here. They mention the titular muggles once, and the Jedi twice. That bodes ill for Luke as something special, or the EU as legitimate.

Actually, because of the EU there are more confirmed survivors of Order 66 than victims.
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Reepicheep wrote:
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Nothing but agreement here. They mention the titular muggles once, and the Jedi twice. That bodes ill for Luke as something special, or the EU as legitimate.

Actually, because of the EU there are more confirmed survivors of Order 66 than victims.


You're right, it is a bit ridiculous how many Jedi apparently managed to escape the Emperor and Vader's thorough attempts to wipe them out. I've accepted the ones we already have but adding more (and I'd say from the teaser we're not just talking about a lone Jedi) concerns me slightly.

Having said that, I understand that the writer's will not consider the EU as part of their continuity and the large majority of the show's audience will be oblivious to the countless other Jedi hiding out in the galaxy.
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Reepicheep wrote:
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Nothing but agreement here. They mention the titular muggles once, and the Jedi twice. That bodes ill for Luke as something special, or the EU as legitimate.

Actually, because of the EU there are more confirmed survivors of Order 66 than victims.

I was thinking more of those Jedi affiliated with the Rebels. Starkiller's part in its formation stands on shaky grounds unless he is the Jedi that will rise, for example.
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Proudfoot wrote:
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Nothing but agreement here. They mention the titular muggles once, and the Jedi twice. That bodes ill for Luke as something special, or the EU as legitimate.

Actually, because of the EU there are more confirmed survivors of Order 66 than victims.


You're right, it is a bit ridiculous how many Jedi apparently managed to escape the Emperor and Vader's thorough attempts to wipe them out. I've accepted the ones we already have but adding more (and I'd say from the teaser we're not just talking about a lone Jedi) concerns me slightly.

Having said that, I understand that the writer's will not consider the EU as part of their continuity and the large majority of the show's audience will be oblivious to the countless other Jedi hiding out in the galaxy.


Having so many Jedi survive the Purge (even having any Jedi besides Obi-Wan and Yoda) takes away the power of the Order 66 scene in RotS. That was one of the few scenes in the Prequels that made the audience really feel something.
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First of all, Order 66 had a 90% kill rate (Insider), but that still means about 100 Jedi survived the initial Purge. That is totally feasible & realistic.

Quinlan Vos was in TCW which makes him screen canon. If they follow the part of his storyline that he survived the Purge, he could be in Rebels.

Obi-Wan in ANH: Vader helped the Emperor hunt down and kill the Jedi. That doesn't mean it happened all at once. Easy storyline for Vader tracking down survivors after Order 66 -- which Dark Horse is already doing.

I'm not going to get in a tizzy about surviving Jedi until I see something to really get in a tizzy about.
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Ummmmmmmmm yea I know it is a 5 second clip but does anyone els get the "This is going to be a kiddy show, like 5-10 year old kind of children's show" feeling?!? I know Clone Wars was a "kids" show although I'll take a ten page argument out with anyone about how it was very mature and boaderline not a kids show........ But this.... Maybe it was just the Disney announcers super excited "saterday morning pitch" of a sale but..... I don't know. People were mad about lines like "artoey" and "sky guy" but can u imagin how childish a real children SW show can go... Scares me a bit
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Cerrinea wrote:
First of all, Order 66 had a 90% kill rate (Insider), but that still means about 100 Jedi survived the initial Purge. That is totally feasible & realistic.

Quinlan Vos was in TCW which makes him screen canon. If they follow the part of his storyline that he survived the Purge, he could be in Rebels.

Obi-Wan in ANH: Vader helped the Emperor hunt down and kill the Jedi. That doesn't mean it happened all at once. Easy storyline for Vader tracking down survivors after Order 66 -- which Dark Horse is already doing.

I'm not going to get in a tizzy about surviving Jedi until I see something to really get in a tizzy about.


What I find slightly tizzifying is the "Jedi will rise" line, that doesn't sound to me like Vader is going to have much success with his hunting and killing. I just can't see the writers creating (or reusing) Jedi main characters and then killing them off in a TV show that's aimed at children. Jedi surviving Order 66 is one thing but living on past ANH is another.
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Cerrinea wrote:
First of all, Order 66 had a 90% kill rate (Insider), but that still means about 100 Jedi survived the initial Purge. That is totally feasible & realistic.

Obi-Wan in ANH: Vader helped the Emperor hunt down and kill the Jedi. That doesn't mean it happened all at once. Easy storyline for Vader tracking down survivors after Order 66 -- which Dark Horse is already doing.


This is true. I guess it's the fact that the amount of named Jedi who were killed vs. named Jedi who survived is about 50/50 (and I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that there are more who survived) and it gives you kind of a skewed impression of Order 66. It doesn't seem like 90% of Jedi were killed even if that is the statistic. I can't argue with your logic though.
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1337Jedi wrote:
Ummmmmmmmm yea I know it is a 5 second clip but does anyone els get the "This is going to be a kiddy show, like 5-10 year old kind of children's show" feeling?!? I know Clone Wars was a "kids" show although I'll take a ten page argument out with anyone about how it was very mature and boaderline not a kids show........ But this.... Maybe it was just the Disney announcers super excited "saterday morning pitch" of a sale but..... I don't know. People were mad about lines like "artoey" and "sky guy" but can u imagin how childish a real children SW show can go... Scares me a bit

Hopefully the creators will be inspired by the movies closest to the show, meaning a tone similar to the OT where TCW was closer to the PT. If it is meant as an introduction to the ST for a new audience, such a tone becomes even more likely. Not to mention that the big driving force behind the "it's for kids"-approach was the guy no longer in charge.

The odds are with us that it won't be more kiddie than TCW, at least.
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If Darth Maul and Boba Fett can survive dying, why not the Jedi? Bring back Mace Windu!
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Cerrinea wrote:
First of all, Order 66 had a 90% kill rate (Insider), but that still means about 100 Jedi survived the initial Purge. That is totally feasible & realistic.

Quinlan Vos was in TCW which makes him screen canon. If they follow the part of his storyline that he survived the Purge, he could be in Rebels.

Obi-Wan in ANH: Vader helped the Emperor hunt down and kill the Jedi. That doesn't mean it happened all at once. Easy storyline for Vader tracking down survivors after Order 66 -- which Dark Horse is already doing.

I'm not going to get in a tizzy about surviving Jedi until I see something to really get in a tizzy about.


Though I agree with the overall sentiment, I do have to quibble over the specific statistics. At the start of the war there were - I think according to Lucas - about 10,000 Jedi. For the Purge to have a kill rate of 90% and leave 100 Jedi, then 9,000 would have had to have died from the war, leaving only 1,000 Jedi at the end (pre-Purge). I'm not entirely certain that's correct. There was certainly attrition of Jedi numbers, but I think a more plausible number would be about 9,000 left. Now if you wipe out 99% of that, you are still left with slightly less than 100 during the Dark Times, giving Vader plenty to do while he's not quelling rebellions or surviving assassination attempts.
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Well the source is Insider Magazine and that makes it canon. What can I tell you?

I thought Karen Traviss's stats on clone numbers was ridiculously low, but it too is canon.
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More Rebels info. The further demolition of the EU has begun.

http://www.newsarama.com/19219-nycc-2013-star-wars-rebels-the-might-of-the-empire-panel-live.html

http://starwars.com/news/nycc-2013-meet-the-inquisitor-the-new-face-of-evil-in-star-wars-rebels.html
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