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Well, I saw the film, was annoyed with that line, and, until just now, didn't know that Tyson was also critical of it ...
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Also, there's a gaff that bothers me to this day. Just a stupid line of dialogue, but it can also take you out of the experience. Charlize Theron mentions that the ship is half a billion miles from Earth. That's not in another star system. That's near Jupiter.


Neil Degrasse Tyson, is that you?

I know that you didn't specifically say that it was your idea, but you did omit that a famous person said it and thereby leave open the implication that it was you who thought of it, not just repeated what someone else said. So basically I'm calling out shenanigans on that as a legitimate mistake since it's something that most people did not actually have a problem with when watching the movie.


Lol, yes, I'm sorry about not crediting that appropriately. That was Neil Degrasse Tyson who assessed that.

I apologize for accidental shenanigans.

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On an unrelated note: the Director's Cut of Star Trek: TMP was better than the original release. They re-edited some of the effects shots, fixed a few mistakes (some people felt that the cloud being 82 Astronomical Units in diameter was too big, so they re-edited it to 2 AU; and they replaced an old matte painting background that had moons in the background, but the TV series said that Vulcan had no moons, so I understand some fans were pissed).

They also cut out a bunch of random "look at the size of that thing!" type stuff, and some elements of Deltan culture. They did, unfortunately, keep the extremely long "Look! New Enterprise!" scene. That went on forever!
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Taral-DLOS wrote:
They did, unfortunately, keep the extremely long "Look! New Enterprise!" scene. That went on forever!


That scene did originally have a good purpose - it was the first time the Enterprise was shown in movie theaters, with a much bigger budget than the TV show. At the time, people were excited to see that scene.
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GrandMaster wrote:
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They did, unfortunately, keep the extremely long "Look! New Enterprise!" scene. That went on forever!


That scene did originally have a good purpose - it was the first time the Enterprise was shown in movie theaters, with a much bigger budget than the TV show. At the time, people were excited to see that scene.


I suppose you're right. And it also got to showcase the great new score. I just felt it was too long.

I would've loved to have seen some of those old movies in theatres, especially back in the day. Imagine the end of Wrath of Khan for the first time, without any other context (like future movies and TV shows).
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I suppose you're right. And it also got to showcase the great new score. I just felt it was too long.

I would've loved to have seen some of those old movies in theatres, especially back in the day. Imagine the end of Wrath of Khan for the first time, without any other context (like future movies and TV shows).


The whole movie was too long. Btw, I did see the original movies in the theaters (first one was out in '79) but it's been so long ago I just can't remember very much about how I felt. Besides, Star Trek was already a known quantity so they just didn't have the same impact as Star Wars in '77...and by Star Wars I mean ANH.

But anyway I like the even numbered ones and the odds can go to that great film vault in the sky :D
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Watched TWOK and TSFS yesterday after TMP, then TVH, TFF, and TUC today.

TWOK - as good as I remember it being the first time. 'Nuff said.

TSFS- as good as I remember. Kirk's reaction at David's death was perfect, though I don't think saying "You Klingon ******" three times in a row was necessary. The scene with Uhura and the young officer was pretty funny, especially when she pulled the phaser on him.

TVH - A great ending to the Genesis arc, though I honestly found Gillian a little annoying and her coming to the 23rd century was hard to swallow.

TFF - uh ... no comment.

TUC - another great movie. Christopher Plummer does a pretty good job as Chang. The Shakespeare quotations were a little overused. I miss Sulu at the helm, but he's a good captain in his own right.

One thing confused me, though; what did Azetbur and Kirk's exchange at the end mean? "You've restored my father's faith" - "You've restored my son's." I don't understand that.

Am I correct in guessing that the explosion of Praxis happened earlier than 2293 in the ST09 timeline and that's why the one province on Qo'noS was uninhabited in Into Darkness?

Edit: never mind the Praxis question. I just looked it up and the answer's yes. Duh!


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OT: But do you think that the supposed rivalry between Trek and Wars fans is real or embellished? In my experience, most people seem to be cool with both franchises.

Personally I don't really like Trek that much because I prefer the more fantasy oriented SW. But I've never felt any antagonism from or against Trek fans.
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I don't know about the Trek/Wars thing. But apparently some Star Wars and Doctor Who fans really don't get along ...
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There is a bigger issue with antagonism from Trek fans than Wars fans. Trek Fans (from what I have noticed) who are antagonistic (because nowhere near all of them are) act so because they consider their preferred stories more intelligent and more intellectually relevant than Wars.
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Caedus_16 wrote:
There is a bigger issue with antagonism from Trek fans than Wars fans. Trek Fans (from what I have noticed) who are antagonistic (because nowhere near all of them are) act so because they consider their preferred stories more intelligent and more intellectually relevant than Wars.


And Star Trek came first, so they can claim that Star Wars was riding Star Trek's coattails. Sure, the level of interest in ST probably helped SW, but the success of SW led them to make the ST films, which led to TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT. So I see them as more symbiotic.
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GrandMaster wrote:
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There is a bigger issue with antagonism from Trek fans than Wars fans. Trek Fans (from what I have noticed) who are antagonistic (because nowhere near all of them are) act so because they consider their preferred stories more intelligent and more intellectually relevant than Wars.


And Star Trek came first, so they can claim that Star Wars was riding Star Trek's coattails. Sure, the level of interest in ST probably helped SW, but the success of SW led them to make the ST films, which led to TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT. So I see them as more symbiotic.


Exactly. I view them as pretty much equal in stature. SW has a richer EU (don't tell the ST fans that though) whereas Star Trek has better TV shows and its successfully pulled off the format in a way Star Wars never figured out. The OT Star Wars films, however, are better than anything the ST films put out.
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I don't know about the Trek/Wars thing. But apparently some Star Wars and Doctor Who fans really don't get along ...


You haven't seen the movie Fanboys, have you? Wink

I watched Star Trek first, mainly because I was alive then and Star Wars didn't exist yet. Also the original message of ST was commentary on the present day. ST ran during the height of political and social unrest and Roddenberry used the TV show as a forum to deliver messages. For those who were watching ST at the time, it offered hope for the future. I personally loved the original Trek but that's because it wasn't really a scifi show at all.

However, as soon as I saw Star Wars in '77, that was it for me. I still like Trek, but Wars has my love.
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Has anyone else seen Gravity? I thought it was awesome. I can't remember the last time I've felt anxiety during a movie. Excellent use of 3D.
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Has anyone else seen Gravity? I thought it was awesome. I can't remember the last time I've felt anxiety during a movie. Excellent use of 3D.


I've heard nothing but good things, but I have zero interest in seeing it.

Unless it features almost exclusively someone's innermost thoughts as they kareen (sp?) away from the Earth on a one-way course for death by asphyxiation in the loneliness of space (which it could be if that's the direction they chose), then I'm alright not seeing it.
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Taral-DLOS wrote:
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Has anyone else seen Gravity? I thought it was awesome. I can't remember the last time I've felt anxiety during a movie. Excellent use of 3D.


I've heard nothing but good things, but I have zero interest in seeing it.

Unless it features almost exclusively someone's innermost thoughts as they kareen (sp?) away from the Earth on a one-way course for death by asphyxiation in the loneliness of space (which it could be if that's the direction they chose), then I'm alright not seeing it.

That's what you fill in yourself. The main character is easily relatable, so you see the events through her eyes. I was thinking what I would be thinking if I was in that situation for sure. The best part of the movie was the reality of it. Even though I was in a room full of people I felt so alone while watching. I think that was more disturbing than the imminent danger of projectiles, lack of oxygen etc.
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