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I posted this on the TF.N Lit boards about two months ago in reply to another poster.

Nathan Butler suggested on the SWT-G Facebook page on May 20th and June 6th that this(referring to Leland Chee's tweet that there are no current plans to mesh pre and post 2008 Clone Wars stories) could mean that Star Wars could be split into two continuities, with the first six films and the EU works being one continuity until Episode VII comes out, while the second would be all the films (including the ST) plus TCW and Rebels.

I've been leaning toward this idea for the last several months. Face it, Episode VII is likely to be a game changer; SOTJ and the Kemp duology might be on ice, which could potentially mean that Crucible (and Legacy) might end up being the last EU work(s) chronologically in the established EU. To be honest I like the idea of TCW being in its own continuity with the films and Rebels; means a fix to mesh all the pre and post 2008 Clone Wars works isn't quite so necessary. It would also allow fans to - and yes, I'm using the term here - choose which continuity to be their personal canon. I get the feeling there will probably be something like this eventually:

Timeline I: Episodes I-IX, TCW (and related works?), Rebels (Droids, Ewoks, and Holiday Special as well if people want to get technical.)

Timeline II: Episodes I-VI, all EU material published from 1977-2013, except for the TCW related works?*

Timeline III: Everything from Timeline I plus EU works connected to the ST?

*Tough call here since Mortis made its way into FOTJ.

WHat do you think? Impractical? Possible? Any suggestions I might have overlooked?


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In other words George Lucas canon. But for realzies this time.

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I don't see the practical difference between a completely new EU overwriting the old, and two different continuities. The odds of more works being produced for the old EU when the ST is the hot new thing on the block are astronomically low. And continuity only has value towards the creation of future works. The old EU being officially acknowledged as an alternate universe, all the while falling by the wayside completely, and having no power to confine the new one, would be mere lip service.

In practice it means the new EU steamrolls the old, no matter how you slice it.
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DarthMRN wrote:
The odds of more works being produced for the old EU when the ST is the hot new thing on the block are astronomically low.

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking. I find it hard to believe that the Powers That Be will continue to publish books set in an "alternate timeline". The EU fanbase is already shrinking and I can't imagine it will gain many new members new that the Sequel Trilogy is in the works. The timeline will probably be split in two, but I doubt the second timeline (i.e. the one with the EU) will be continued. It will just be a relic of the past.
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With a new EU, would you like to see things from the old EU brought over (like Mara Jade or the Solo kids), or would you like to see a clean break?

Personally, I think a clean break would be best. Let the new EU be it own thing.
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With that, I'd want a clean break. Granted I'd miss the characters, but thanks to reading other serial fiction where they've done reboots but kept the characters I know it doesn't always work that well. I'd rather see the writers of a new EU have their hands completely free and not tied to the remnants of the old one.


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GrandMaster wrote:
With a new EU, would you like to see things from the old EU brought over (like Mara Jade or the Solo kids), or would you like to see a clean break?

Well, I don't think Mara and the Solo kids would even be possible in light of Episode VII. Luke will almost certainly married to someone or living a life of celibacy and the Solos will almost certainly have different kid(s).
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Regardless of my personal preference, I think pilfering the old EU for its best contributions is the most likely outcome. In my limited experience, that is what tends to happen with fiction. Shed the bad, take the good with you for the reboot.

TCW is example of this mindset: "We gave a small nod to the EU, for the fans" to paraphrase Filoni on several occasions.
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I really don't want to see the old EU go. Its the only reason I love Star Wars so much. Its why, to me, SW is mostly tied with Star Trek as my favorite media franchise. Without it, its just a few good movies, one ok movie, and two horrible ones, which would put it below star Trek, Babylon 5, Firefly, and stargate when it comes to Sci Fi franchises I like. I have no interest in VII (the director who destroyed Star Trek getting his hands on SW? I'd rather get more Jar Jar) so if the EU is done, to me SW will be dead. I'll still love what we got, and read the stuff I haven't gotten to yet, but to me, a reboot of the EU means the franchise is officially dead. It will also mean the Star Trek novelverse will be the only ongoing good sci fi I have left. With babylon 5 and Firefly long dead, Star Trek live action just being a series of lowest common denominator action flicks and Star wars movies soon to be the same, the Star Wars EU and Star Trek books are where I get my sci fi enjoyment these days. I really don't want to lose Star Wars, but I won't read a reboot of the EU.


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EU continuity almost seems like a moot point, but it's one of the things about Rebels that got my panties in such a bunch.

The Clone Wars was ostensibly Lucas' idea, and it at least made an attempt to mesh a little bit with the EU which he had tacitly endorsed most of the time and had explicitly endorsed several times. Rebels is now Lucas free, so what chance do you think it has for preserving EU continuity?

I've read a lot about people feeling like it will stamp out The Force Unleashed. No matter how you feel about that story itself, it was one of the projects that was heavily endorsed by Lucas and promoted as a significant canon story. If they scrap that it will be bad blood for me.
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Well Pablo seems to be pretty active in the "Story Group" there always mentioning now. If anyone can tie-in the EU to the new material, he can.
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Star Wars has officially degenerated to the same level as Star Trek when it comes to canon.


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^ You just realized this now? Wink
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More like realized there's no stopping this downward spiral, Reep. Wink

That said, its a bit sad to see Star Wars sliding to this level. I get the feeling that Pablo is kind of starting not to care so much about how Star Wars as a whole maintained a pretty good continuity over the last 30+ years, and the EU is being dismissed, to quote Darth Henning's term over on TF.N, "fluff."

And this leaves me torn. I want to see the new movies in theaters like I did with AOTC and ROTS. I was excited for them. At the same time, however, I spent several years (until my parents put their foot down) buying EU material, material that I wanted to finish someday since I'm still missing many of the books, all of the comics, and a bunch of other stuff.

But now I'm beginning to think, "Why should I care? What is it really worth anyway if the new films and Rebels are going to set a cavalier attitude toward continuity and no more material for EU 1.0 will be produced ( though admittedly, the latter would give me a chance to catch up on everything)?"


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Alan Skywalker V wrote:
But now I'm beginning to think, "Why should I care? What is it really worth anyway if the new films and Rebels are going to set a cavalier attitude toward continuity and no more material for EU 1.0 will be produced ( though admittedly, the latter would give me a chance to catch up on everything)?"

Indeed. Saying that the EU - which has made Lucas a whack load of money and that we've invested in financially and emotionally for years - is nothing but "fanfiction" was not cool (and complete nonsense! Mad ). But... yeah, I've ranted about this many a time and it seems redundant to do it again. Not cool, Mr. Lucas.
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