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So, looking at the book release schedule coming up it looks like its just Maul: Lockdown. I asked around via twitter why this is and I got a response back saying thats basically the plan, no new books and after the movie the books will be moving ahead in the new timeline. SO... what IS the new timeline? Are some books already in it? Or is that under the assumption that EP7 will part of a separate timeline and that said timeline may not even exist?

If that response is true, I dunno how I feel about it. There could have been a sort of finality with the conclusion of Fate of the Jedi and, granted Im not as knowledgeable as some of you, that would be the cleanest way to break away from the existing timeline, but at the same time there are so many more stories that need to be told. Kinda bums me out.
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Simply put, we don't know.

The hopeful will see it as a way to integrate the existing EU with Ep. VII and future stories, and so they aren't releasing stories now so that they don't potentially create conflicts there. But I think most of us feel that it's inevitable that the post FOTJ EU continuity will be axed.
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At Star Wars Reads Day, Daniel Wallace and Troy Denning said that they don't even know what will happen with the timeline.

In addition to Maul: Lockdown, there's also Honor Among Thieves, a Han Solo feature, coming out in March, and a Luke Skywalker feature coming out in January 2015.
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Del Rey has also stated that there are other books that will be coming out next year that they haven't revealed yet.
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Basically what's already been said.

We have no idea.

but a lot of people think that LFL will wipe the existing continuity because it would be "hard to explain what's happened to casual fans". Really there is ZERO evidence for this other than the post-FOTJ books being put on hold. And even that is likely due to the Disney takeover.

There are dozens of ways they can fit the sequel trilogy into the existing universe (and I keep meaning to make a thread on that). Or they can wipe everything and start over. Right now there's an equal 50/50 chance of either.

That said if they do wipe continuity, they risk losing a lot of hard-core fans which will cause sales to suffer (myself for example).

But only time will tell what direction they take.
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Awesome, I look forward to your thread! Personally (though many people will strongly disagree) a new trilogy isn't worth all of this, and thats coming from someone who doesn't loathe episodes 1-3. I think the most they can reasonably get away with is a new timeline starting from the moment the Jedi go to arrest Palpatine. But that would negate episodes 4-6 which would piss MANY people off. I cant imagine "By the way...in THIS timeline Bane never released the thought bomb or created the rule of two. Revan was a goldfish and Han was a model of blaster used by mercurial Rebel-Stormtroopers: aaaaaand GO." Maybe it is because Im a fan of Star Wars, but I dont think Disney has really thought about what it would mean to create a new timeline for a saga that spans thousands and thousands of years. Now Im speculating and I hate that Im doing that.
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Even if they do wipe out book continuity, I don't see them wiping it all out. Worse case scenario, they wipe out all post ROTJ books. More likely they'll try to keep as many as they can, so it depends on who many continuity conflicts there are with the new films, and how much they'll have to toss out.

Regardless, I'm betting that Random House continues to put out books, though on a much smaller scale, and they'll all be pre-ROTJ era. There's a good chance Tim Lebbon will get to write another Dawn of the Jedi book.
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Vergere The Fosh wrote:
Awesome, I look forward to your thread! Personally (though many people will strongly disagree) a new trilogy isn't worth all of this, and thats coming from someone who doesn't loathe episodes 1-3.

I've been saying this from Day 1. I was perfectly happy with the six-film Saga and the continuing Expanded Universe. I didn't have any desire for a new film trilogy. The EU gave me a lot of good times and regardless of how good the new movies are, Lucas and everyone involved has robbed us EU fans. While, it's true that my EU fandom was beginning to die already before the Episode VII announcement, that was mostly because of shoehorning plotlines I didn't like from TCW, Lucas's input etc.
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We weren't completely robbed. We still got Crucible, easily the craziest Star Wars story ever written. Laughing

And if we get more books like Kenobi, I'll remain a happy reader. Once the sequel era is revealed, we should be in even better standing because it sounds like they want to cooperate more between the different divisions and the story ideas.
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I have yet to read Crucible because I didn't want to shell out for it. Any chance you could give me the broad strokes?
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Darth Skuldren wrote:
We weren't completely robbed. We still got Crucible, easily the craziest Star Wars story ever written. Laughing

Not completely, but we likely won't get anything beyond Crucible...

@Caedus: The Wookieepedia article has a summary:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Crucible_(novel)
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Reepicheep wrote:

@Caedus: The Wookieepedia article has a summary:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Crucible_(novel)


Thanks, I honestly forgot about wookiepedia for a minute.
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I'm new to these forums, but I've been around the EU since its inception with the ANH novelization, Marvel comics, and Splinter of the Mind's Eye. While I'm excited about the ST, I'm also frustrated at the lack of information coming from Del Rey and LFL as it regards the EU.

I've pretty much accepted the idea that the post-RotJ EU, as it currently exists, will most likely be either completely thrown out or changed in some way or fashion. I highly doubt that it will be kept intact. And, yeah, I'm a little upset about that.

However...I listen to Rebel Force Radio and TheForceCast podcast every week. One of them had Pablo Hidalgo on in which he mentioned a new "Story Group". From what he said about it, going forward, they intend to keep a much tighter story continuity between all mediums. To me, that sounds awesome!

I read somewhere, recently, that they (I think "they" refers to Del Rey) are thinking about re-labeling the existing post-RotJ EU as something along the lines of Tales from Luke Skywalker...or something like that. This could be leading to two possibilities. One that those stories will be viewed as an alternate universe sort of thing. Or, it could be a way to allow LFL/Disney to keep certain aspects (characters, places, equipment, etc.) of those stories while ditching the rest as just...say an in-universe storyteller embellishing things here and there idea.

Think about this though...if they decide to nix everything post-RotJ, that won't work. There is EU material set before RotJ that directly links to stuff post-RotJ. For example: Rogue Planet and Outbound Flight. So, the only "clean and easy" way to get rid of "problems" would be to nix ALL everything except the movies and TCW (and, of course, the upcoming Rebels), then tell everyone that the entire EU is being rebooted...restarted from fresh. Personally, I don't see that happening.

I really wish that DR/LFL would at least tell us one way or the other. They could do it without spoiling the ST. They could tell us to expect a total or partial reboot, or that the story is on hold until after Ep.VII in order to give the writers (for both the movies and books/comics) as much creative freedom as possible to give us the best story possible. Just give us something to ease the frustration.


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We've talked this to death in various continuity threads, but IF they did decide to do a continuity wipeout they will most likely just strike everything post ROTJ and leave in everything else and then keep it, ignore it, or change it as it pertains to G canon, like TCW did. Since that is the only one that really matters according to LFL anyway.

They won't create a new pre- Ep. 1 and EU Clone Wars timeline.

They haven't explcitely stated that they are waiting for Ep. VII to dictate what future stories will be, but they have made it clear that, yeah, this is pretty much what is happening.
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Vergere The Fosh wrote:
Awesome, I look forward to your thread! Personally (though many people will strongly disagree) a new trilogy isn't worth all of this, and thats coming from someone who doesn't loathe episodes 1-3.


Its one of three that I keep meaning to put up.

- Ways to Write the Sequel Trilogy that dont F*** Up the EU
- Chronicling the Clone Wars (I've actually figured out a way to make it all fit with only minor contradictions)
- Chronicling the Original Trilogy (same as above; both broken down basically to the day; still working on this one though)

I've been busy and lazy.

Realistically, regardless of story, wiping the EU is a poor business decision anyway.

If they wipe the EU, they will:
- Gain hardcore fans from the new trilogy
- Keep Hardcore movie-only fans who already exist
- Keep Hardcore EU fans who like the new movie timeline
- LOSE Hardcore EU fans who dislike the new movie timeline/prefer classic EU

If they keep the EU, they will:
- Gain Hardcore fans from the new trilogy (they aren't going to notice a difference)
- Keep Hardcore movie-only fans who already exist (again, won't really notice much difference)
- Keep Hardcore EU fans who are appeased that they kept the EU
- And not lose anyone (more than usual attrition)

Keeping the EU is simply the better business decision.

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We weren't completely robbed. We still got Crucible, easily the craziest Star Wars story ever written. Laughing

And if we get more books like Kenobi, I'll remain a happy reader. Once the sequel era is revealed, we should be in even better standing because it sounds like they want to cooperate more between the different divisions and the story ideas.


Despite the Hate-on a lot of fans have for Crucible, I don't see why it was such a bad book. Yes, a little too much beating up on the Big 3, but other than that, I'd say a decently done book.

The Story Group is a good idea in theory. I do hope that Pablo, Leland, JJM, Ryder, and Steven are all on there as they are the ones who might have the slightest chance of adjusting the movie and JJ Abrams (why the **** did we get that guy?) to keep the EU intact.

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I'm new to these forums, but I've been around the EU since its inception with the ANH novelization, Marvel comics, and Splinter of the Mind's Eye.


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However...I listen to Rebel Force Radio and TheForceCast podcast every week. One of them had Pablo Hidalgo on in which he mentioned a new "Story Group". From what he said about it, going forward, they intend to keep a much tighter story continuity between all mediums. To me, that sounds awesome!


Mentioned this sort of above. I think this is a great idea as well (and I'm wondering why this wasn't invented years ago), but Hopefully its not just "make sure that everything conforms to what JJ Abrams (F that guy) says, but rather tries to keep what's existed for the last 30+ years.

[quote="Skywalker2B"]I read somewhere, recently, that they (I think "they" refers to Del Rey) are thinking about re-labeling the existing post-RotJ EU as something along the lines of Tales from Luke Skywalker...or something like that. This could be leading to two possibilities. One that those stories will be viewed as an alternate universe sort of thing. Or, it could be a way to allow LFL/Disney to keep certain aspects (characters, places, equipment, etc.) of those stories while ditching the rest as just...say an in-universe storyteller embellishing things here and there idea.
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Its "the Visions of Luke Skywalker". And that comes from one guy on theforce.net boards who says he heard this from "a friend who's highly placed at del rey". And a lot of people in the thread have run with it as a term for the current EU vs. Sequel Trilogy EU.

So yeah. Don't count on that being anything accurate. At least yet.

But yes, if they do wipe the EU, they're not going to just pull product off the shelves (profit from it, but ignore it - hardly fair to the fans) so they'll have to lable it some form of alternate universe and slowly phase out publishing of the works over time. Hence why I'm racing to complete my collection of the miscellaneous things I've missed now while its still relatively easy in case they do.


[quote="Skywalker2B"]I really wish that DR/LFL would at least tell us one way or the other. They could do it without spoiling the ST. They could tell us to expect a total or partial reboot, or that the story is on hold until after Ep.VII in order to give the writers (for both the movies and books/comics) as much creative freedom as possible to give us the best story possible. Just give us something to ease the frustration.


And I agree, that's pretty much the most annoying thing. Its been around 6 months since the acquisition was announced, and there's basically been no news since the day one announcements that we were getting EP VII. We've heard about a bunch of cancellations and delays, but very little about what's being done in the coming time.

It would be much easier if they'd just come out and say once and for all what they were doing to put us all at ease so we can stop speculating.
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