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Has everyone seen The Night Of The Doctor short on youtube? It wasn't as well advertised as the special, so some may have missed it.
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I saw it, I squealed with glee. I loved McGann's Doctor and his audio dramas, that was a huge treat to me. Its on the Blu Ray extras.

Also, as to Moffat, its only with the most recent episodes that he hasn't worked on any characterization. The former companions were fully fleshed out three dimensional characters.

The hate Moffat gets really bugs me, his run as showrunner has had some outstanding episodes.
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Has anyone been watching Almost Human? Excellent show. Nothing new but very well put together.


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I saw it, I squealed with glee. I loved McGann's Doctor and his audio dramas, that was a huge treat to me. Its on the Blu Ray extras.

Also, as to Moffat, its only with the most recent episodes that he hasn't worked on any characterization. The former companions were fully fleshed out three dimensional characters.

The hate Moffat gets really bugs me, his run as showrunner has had some outstanding episodes.


*Shrugs* I like the show, but I don't watch it avidly. The only reason I noticed any problems, rather than my usual 'oh hey, he's doing something funny again, now back to my book' is because it was the special, and was determined to watch it properly. I can't speak towards any further criticisms, but I dislike lazy writing.

Although, to take the question away from Moffat and Who, and make it a more general 'does great product excuse faults?' I disagree, to a point, but I also think that's the wrong way to look at things. To excuse it is to imply that you overlook problems because your personal experience is generally positive. I think it's better to acknowledge faults - say 'yes, they are there, and they do impact the show. Overall, the product is good'. A key difference, in my opinion.
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I saw it, I squealed with glee. I loved McGann's Doctor and his audio dramas, that was a huge treat to me. Its on the Blu Ray extras.

Also, as to Moffat, its only with the most recent episodes that he hasn't worked on any characterization. The former companions were fully fleshed out three dimensional characters.

The hate Moffat gets really bugs me, his run as showrunner has had some outstanding episodes.


*Shrugs* I like the show, but I don't watch it avidly. The only reason I noticed any problems, rather than my usual 'oh hey, he's doing something funny again, now back to my book' is because it was the special, and was determined to watch it properly. I can't speak towards any further criticisms, but I dislike lazy writing.

Although, to take the question away from Moffat and Who, and make it a more general 'does great product excuse faults?' I disagree, to a point, but I also think that's the wrong way to look at things. To excuse it is to imply that you overlook problems because your personal experience is generally positive. I think it's better to acknowledge faults - say 'yes, they are there, and they do impact the show. Overall, the product is good'. A key difference, in my opinion.


See and I'm willing to acknowledge his faults, season 6 was mostly awful with a couple choice exceptions, but overall he's taken Who to something bigger than it was and that's saying something. To be able to combine both RTD's era and Moffat's era would be perfection as you'd have the feel and cinematography along with the excellent writing style and characterization.

And Moffat isn't long for the show. Patience, another will come.
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Moffat's issue is that he's more concerned with BLOWING YOUR MIND than with good plot or characterization. He's like a kid chanting "I know something you don't know!" and then it always turns out that the grand "mystery" isn't that interesting at all. Not to mention that I don't think his female companions are anywhere near as strong as previous ones.
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Queen Padmè Skywalker wrote:
Moffat's issue is that he's more concerned with BLOWING YOUR MIND than with good plot or characterization. He's like a kid chanting "I know something you don't know!" and then it always turns out that the grand "mystery" isn't that interesting at all. Not to mention that I don't think his female companions are anywhere near as strong as previous ones.


Eh, Jenna Coleman is an adorable enough person that I'm willing to forgive the character.

Moffat leaves massive plot holes. For someone who likes his mysteries so much he does indeed leave them unfinished. The end of the series 7 finale is blatant proof of that, he cared more about setting up the 50th than in actually resolving a story.
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Continuing my theme in other threads, what's everyone's favorite television show this year?

I don't watch too much tv, but there's a couple shows I follow: The Walking Dead, Breaking Bad (which is now over), Falling Skies, The Clone Wars (which ended this year), and Defiance, which is my pick for favorite show this year.
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Caedus_16 wrote:
Queen Padmè Skywalker wrote:
Moffat's issue is that he's more concerned with BLOWING YOUR MIND than with good plot or characterization. He's like a kid chanting "I know something you don't know!" and then it always turns out that the grand "mystery" isn't that interesting at all. Not to mention that I don't think his female companions are anywhere near as strong as previous ones.


Eh, Jenna Coleman is an adorable enough person that I'm willing to forgive the character.

Moffat leaves massive plot holes. For someone who likes his mysteries so much he does indeed leave them unfinished. The end of the series 7 finale is blatant proof of that, he cared more about setting up the 50th than in actually resolving a story.


I've not seen the Season 7 finale (or, frankly, any of Seasons 5-7 except the Christmas Carol-style Christmas Special) but I loved the 50th Anniversary Special and the shorts. And I understood it easily, without knowing much of what happened before.

That's the great thing about Doctor Who: as long as you understand the general premise, it's so episodic that you can jump in anywhere and be fine.

My only criticism: not enough Christopher Eccleston. Loved his cameo (and the joke reference at the end), but he's my favourite Doctor and he should've been in it too.

I'm hoping to get Season 5 for Christmas. If not, I'll try and get it Boxing Day.
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@Taral: They tried to get Eccelston for the 50th, John Hurt's Doctor was created because he staunchly refused. He wanted nothing further with Who after he left due to his dislike of how it was run and all and he's now firmly refusing to interact with it further.

I thought the plot was ok but if you'd seen the finale of season 7 you would have been baffled by some of the massive glossing over we dealt with.

Seasons 5 and 6 are on Netflix if you wanted to catch up.
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Darth Skuldren wrote:
Continuing my theme in other threads, what's everyone's favorite television show this year?

I don't watch too much tv, but there's a couple shows I follow: The Walking Dead, Breaking Bad (which is now over), Falling Skies, The Clone Wars (which ended this year), and Defiance, which is my pick for favorite show this year.


Also loved Breaking Bad and certain arcs of The Clone Wars (Maul/Mando especially). Have followed Falling Skies since the beginning. Almost Human, Sleepy Hollow, and Agents of SHIELD have been my favorites lately. I like those Brooklyn 99 and Dads comedies too. And even though I only watch it because of my wife, Once Upon a Time has some pretty good episodes, mainly the ones that focus on Robert Carlyle.


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Brooklyn Nine-Nine and Sleepy Hollow have been surprise hits for me, I've really enjoyed every minute of them. Trophy Wife and The Crazy Ones have also been good on the comedy side, and Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and The Tomorrow People on the drama side. Favorite of the year? I think I have to go with Brooklyn Nine-Nine, for being so consistently great.
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