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So that means no matter who the publisher is, it should not effect the content of the books. In that case the only incentive to change the EU canon would be a creative one. For the purely business aspects we've discussed there doesn't seem to be a good motivation for doing that. That's possibly hopeful.


Basically. To me the only reason to change EU canon is that JJ Abrams isn't capable of playing nice in the sandbox, and wants his way or the highway.

Hopefully Leland, Pablo, et al. can keep him in line.


There's also the fact that the Sequel Trilogy is being based on Lucas's treatments and we already know that Lucas couldn't care less about the EU. We don't know how close the new movies will stick to the treatments and, who knows, maybe that recent script change (where Abrams and Kasden replaced Arndt) will be more in the EU's favour. I still highly doubt the new movies won't flat out contradict the EU, but until we get something official, I won't give up hope.


This is true about Lucas. That said, with a little tweeking from Leland and Pablo I'm pretty sure they could be made to fit without altering the general plot significantly. At least I can't imagine a situation in which it would significantly alter them if its set post-NJOO and pre-LOTF or even post-Crucible.

Given the recent publication of The Reader's Compaion and the existance of the holocron, I still hold out hope that the Eu will survive. Though its amazing to see how many fans on another forum seem to care less about it.
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Darth_Henning wrote:
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So that means no matter who the publisher is, it should not effect the content of the books. In that case the only incentive to change the EU canon would be a creative one. For the purely business aspects we've discussed there doesn't seem to be a good motivation for doing that. That's possibly hopeful.


Basically. To me the only reason to change EU canon is that JJ Abrams isn't capable of playing nice in the sandbox, and wants his way or the highway.

Hopefully Leland, Pablo, et al. can keep him in line.


There's also the fact that the Sequel Trilogy is being based on Lucas's treatments and we already know that Lucas couldn't care less about the EU. We don't know how close the new movies will stick to the treatments and, who knows, maybe that recent script change (where Abrams and Kasden replaced Arndt) will be more in the EU's favour. I still highly doubt the new movies won't flat out contradict the EU, but until we get something official, I won't give up hope.


This is true about Lucas. That said, with a little tweeking from Leland and Pablo I'm pretty sure they could be made to fit without altering the general plot significantly. At least I can't imagine a situation in which it would significantly alter them if its set post-NJOO and pre-LOTF or even post-Crucible.

The biggest thing I'm worried about is characters. If Luke and/or Han and Leia have kids and they aren't Jaina or Ben, that would totally mess up the EU. I also remember Lucas saying that, if he went beyond RotJ, Luke wouldn't be married like he is in the EU. That would mean no Mara Jade... and the end of the Skywalker line. Confused
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Some interesting tidbits I've come across. Chris Trevas mentioned that he's started working on new Star Wars project that he can't talk about yet and Ryder Windham mentioned that he's started working on two Star Wars projects he can't talk about yet.
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Some interesting tidbits I've come across. Chris Trevas mentioned that he's started working on new Star Wars project that he can't talk about yet and Ryder Windham mentioned that he's started working on two Star Wars projects he can't talk about yet.


This is what I truely loath about Disney.

Expect that answer "I've started a new project that I can't talk about" to be the announcement of EVER future star wars product now.
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Well, we did have that under the old guard, so it's hardly much of a difference.

Remind me again what Paul Kemp's duology was about?
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I grant you they did keep some things like the Kemp Duology under wraps when it was really big.

By contrast though, the Atlas was talked about in massive detail while in production, Blood Oath, Mandorla, Knightfall and Escape from Dagu were announced so early in development they were never even finished, and I remember when NJO was first announced they had the entire bracket of authors and book groupings listed out for the entire project on TOS from the outset; yes, things changed, but they weren't afraid to give us details on most upcoming projects when they could.

One of the reasons Kemp's duology got so much attention was because we knew nothing about it. IT was an anomaly rather than an institutional standard. now...
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I still want to read Blood Oath and Mandorla. Not to mention Kemp's duology... Sad
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I still want to read Blood Oath and Mandorla. Not to mention Kemp's duology... Sad


I was so excited for Mandorla...
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Blood Oath
Mandorla
Kemp's Mystery Duology
Sword of the Jedi

Heck, even Escape from Dagu (it was fully completely anyway).

I'd love to see all of these published.
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Reepicheep wrote:
I still want to read Blood Oath and Mandorla. Not to mention Kemp's duology... Sad


Me too.


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I still want to read Blood Oath and Mandorla. Not to mention Kemp's duology... Sad


Me too.


Me three. And I really want to read Sword of the Jedi too - could be an opportunity to finish off the storyline if the EU ends.
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Yeah , so much left unsaid...


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Could they really seal it all in a trilogy though?
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Could they really seal it all in a trilogy though?


Could be.

Need to tie up these major loose ends really:

- eradicate the Lost Tribe or at least send what remains into hiding with the One Sith of legacy
- find Mortis (may relate as a subplot to the above)
-reunite the Jedi with the Alliance in some form
- resolve vestara's fate by death, imprisonment, redemption or whatever
- establish Luke as the Grand Master who, like yoda, mostly meditates and administrates while the rest of the Jedi do their thing under the council
- retire Han and Leia somewhere with the falcon to raise Amelia (possibly between coruscant and Hapes)
- Move Jaina and Jag to the Empire (even if it doesn't actually show him becoming emperor yet)
- move some segment of Jedi with them to form the basis for the Imperial Knights.


Book 1 - Jaina et al. track down the sith and engage in battle, discovering Mortis near the end
Book 2 - Mortis serves some role in defeating the one sith except a handful, bringing the Jedi and GA back onto the same side
Book 3 - Luke has Mortis destoryed and establishes temples on Coruscant and Bastion (with training ground remaining on Shadu Mau) while the reunited GA and Jedi take down the rest of the sith, revealing Vestara's fate opposite Ben. Last few chapters deal with characters moving to the appropriate locations and sets up for what would be a prolonged period of peace.

Thereby leading nicely into decades of rebuilding up to Legacy which can then cap the story of the existing EU.
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Oh, kark. Evil or Very Mad Just found at on Facebook, via Nathan Butler's SWTG page, that the New Essential Guide to Characters has apparently been canceled and Sword of the Jedi may be toast too.


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