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Darth_Henning wrote:
The most recent tweets from Leland indicate that the Story Group will be deciding what is Canon and that he and Pablo will be on it.

Which implies that there will be a consistent canon of some form.

However, there's no hint whether or not that will be all new, include all old EU, include part of the old EU, or allow multiple tellings of each event and then they pick the "best" one to 'count' going forwards.


As long as Thrawn ends up on the side of canon and Ken Palpatine ends up as non-canon, I'll be happy.
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Regarding re-publication rights, I saw one article that said that anything published by Dark Horse can still be printed by Dark Horse (so they can still collect TPBs and Omnibuses of the things made between 1991 and 2014, but can't make anything new as of 1 January 2015).

EDIT: I mis-read. What the article said: "Per our original contract with Lucasfilm, reprints/usage of Dark Horse published material would require Disney to purchase the original files directly from Dark Horse."

So Dark Horse retains some rights. Not to print, but it "owns", for lack of a better word, the things it published. So Marvel would need to buy the rights to print DH-published material.

Which means that, in theory, we'll never see pre-2015 material printed again, at least not for a long time.


That means that Marvel is not going to publish DH material. Why do you interpret that as meaning that DH will not reprint it's own existing material? As it stands DH doesn't usually do regular reprinting, except for anniversary and their omnibus', but I would expect them to publish collected editions of any material that they have not previously done so according to regular schedule.


From what I understood, Marvel will be the only entity allowed to print Star Wars comics in general. They won't be allowed to reprint material originated by DHC unless they buy it first (which they won't), but that DHC won't be allowed to print its own material either because it won't have the license to print Star Wars.

So, in my view, the only real implication is that, after 31 December 2014, it will be a long time until we see old SW material again. That said, it could happen; Marvel is reprinting old Marvelman/Miracleman comics, having finally acquired all the necessary rights to reprint the old material. So maybe there's hope that one day Marvel will reprint DHC-era Star Wars comics of interest.
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I can't help it. This news has me bummed out and I feel like the EU is dying off. I just want to jab Disney in the eye with a stick Evil or Very Mad
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^ This.


The movies were always bound to go in their own direction and the novels have been mostly mediocre in the last few years but the comics have been the last safe haven for SW continuity fans. It's finally getting to me. The rest of it, the Disney buy out and everything, haven't affected me too much. But DH losing SW is a truly sad day for me. I just have no faith in this area right now. Time and Marvel may prove me wrong and I hope they do but right now I just think SW comics and continuity in general are finally going to die. At least they've warmed us up for all this and it's not a total shock.


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^^ I agree, and ^ said it all, although SW countinuty is no where near perfect, for its vast size and time I think it's the most amazing thing about the SW universe. It's what sold me on the EU years ago, and what kept my fandom in tact.... Lately I just feel like I'm a fan of an old movie, not the community it once was.
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Taral-DLOS wrote:

From what I understood, Marvel will be the only entity allowed to print Star Wars comics in general. They won't be allowed to reprint material originated by DHC unless they buy it first (which they won't), but that DHC won't be allowed to print its own material either because it won't have the license to print Star Wars.

So, in my view, the only real implication is that, after 31 December 2014, it will be a long time until we see old SW material again. That said, it could happen; Marvel is reprinting old Marvelman/Miracleman comics, having finally acquired all the necessary rights to reprint the old material. So maybe there's hope that one day Marvel will reprint DHC-era Star Wars comics of interest.


I don't have the link to hand, but someone over at TFN posted a link to Randy stating that as of Jan 1 2015 their back catalogue is licensed to Marvel to reprint as desired. Not sure what money changed hands there or what the contract is, but Marvel has the option to reprint any of the Dark Horse stuff they choose.

However, given that Marvel is inconsistent (at best) at collecting their own single issues for publication in TPBs (let alone at anything resembling a reasonable pricepoint), I doubt that we'll be seeing a thing of Dark Horse for a VERY long time.

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^^ I agree, and ^ said it all, although SW countinuty is no where near perfect, for its vast size and time I think it's the most amazing thing about the SW universe. It's what sold me on the EU years ago, and what kept my fandom in tact.... Lately I just feel like I'm a fan of an old movie, not the community it once was.


Precisely this.

But of course, why would Disney care about hardcore fans when there's so many casual moviegoers they can rope in.

Its not like Star Wars sold a billion dollars in a non-movie year last year because of the hard core fans and was the second most successful franchise on the planet or anything......oh wait!!
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But of course, why would Disney care about hardcore fans when there's so many casual moviegoers they can rope in.

Its not like Star Wars sold a billion dollars in a non-movie year last year because of the hard core fans and was the second most successful franchise on the planet or anything......oh wait!!


It may have been a non-movie year, but The Clone Wars was still running. And how much of that billion dollars came from toys (which doesn't require one to be a hardcore fan)? I don't think the EU is a very large part of SW's profits. A franchise really doesn't sustain itself on hardcore fans - Star Trek is a good example of this. In 2004, ST was pretty much dead - no movies, no TV series. The J.J. Abrams reboot comes along, focusing more on the casual moviegoers than the hardcore fans, and becomes the highest-grossing ST movie (by about $150 thousand domestically). From a business standpoint, Disney is doing exactly what they should be doing. As fans of the EU, we may not like it, but it makes sense.
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I don't know where to find breakdown data on that, which is unfortunate as I would be curious to know.

But Hasbro sales I do know something about. They've seen significant growth over the past two years in both the games division and girls toys, but a double digit profit (and sales) drop in the action figure/boys toys division. And that includes Star Wars (though the 2012 drop there was 10-12% compared to 23% for action figures on the whole).

So toy sales may well be a big factor, but they're dropping while the franchise sales increased last year. Which suggests that the revenue from other things (comics, books, TOR, etc) is both holding its own and growing to match that drop. And not too much of that would be TCW related.

No, you can't sustain a brand on hardcore fans alone (or at least its extremely difficult), but if you ignore the hardcore fans the franchise will not succeed either.
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Allow me:



http://www.statisticbrain.com/star-wars-total-franchise-revenue/

EU revenue is substantial enough to compete with the movies. Still loses, but it can compete.
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That doesn't reflect the sales for just 2013.


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2013 was a year arbitrarily chosen by Henning as part of an argument that hardcore sales mattered compared to casual moviegoers. I don't need data for that year to support it.
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But there was 0 dollars spent at the theater in 2013 and toy sales probably decreased. I would just be curious myself what the percentage of gross income was from books and comics.


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Newsarama quoted Randy Stradley in a recent post about the new Darth Maul comic. In there, they said Marvel has not yet approached them about buying the rights to reprint any of the Dark Horse Star Wars comics or even the old Marvel Star Wars comics.
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DarthMRN wrote:
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http://www.statisticbrain.com/star-wars-total-franchise-revenue/

EU revenue is substantial enough to compete with the movies. Still loses, but it can compete.


Never seen the breakdown for that on the whole before. VERY interesting.

Especially that "EU" material sold about 6B to the movie's 8B (some of which came from TCW's DVD sales).

Not bad at all.

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2013 was a year arbitrarily chosen by Henning as part of an argument that hardcore sales mattered compared to casual moviegoers. I don't need data for that year to support it.


Sorry, I didn't explain why I chose that so that probably did seem arbitrary.

I picked 2013 because I happened to read an article last month that the company broke the billion dollar mark and was the second most profitable entertainment franchise this year (behind Disney Princesses), which in it commented it was a non-movie year.

Combined with the fact that I new toy sales were dropping (due to other collecting sites) I thought that gave an interesting perspective on how much the EU actually does sell to "hardcore" fans compared to what people would expect, even when people are unhappy with most things post-NJO.

Yes, movies will always make more, but those will eventually exhaust the audience (we'll be seeing superhero fatigue within 3 by most estimates), so they'll have to rely on something else that sells to more dedicated fans if they want to keep profits up after that inevitably happens.
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Interesting. Unfortunately we still have TCW to put a wrench in the machine, even if there are no movies. It still wouldn't be super indicative of EU profitability.
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