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  Cerrinea
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Darth_Henning wrote:
I've always though it matters more "WHY" you use the power and what you use it "FOR" rather than WHICH power you use.


For example, if you use force lightening to re-power a dead generator in a crashing spaceship to save the crew, is it really a dark side power?

Or if you use it to disable an assassin droid?

Compare to using it to execute a taxi-driver.

Just food for thought.


Basically I agree with you but that can also be a slippery slope. Because people are so good at rationalizing whatever they want to do. I'm sure Anakin convinced himself that becoming a Sith in order to save Padme was a really good thing to do. Along with overthrowing Palpatine and ruling the galaxy the way he and Padme wanted it to be. When she backed out on that plan we all know how that turned out.
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Cerrinea wrote:
Basically I agree with you but that can also be a slippery slope. Because people are so good at rationalizing whatever they want to do. I'm sure Anakin convinced himself that becoming a Sith in order to save Padme was a really good thing to do. Along with overthrowing Palpatine and ruling the galaxy the way he and Padme wanted it to be. When she backed out on that plan we all know how that turned out.


Admittedly that's a flaw, but assuming a person remains sane in their reasoning, it works.


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The implication is either that the frame of mind required to use the dark side or the usage of the dark side itself results in a frame of mind which results in its continued usage in scenarios in which it's less excusable.


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I like the Revan book alot. It took me a few days to read and enjoyed evry part of it. Butthe only flaw I have with it is that it seemed a bit to short, I just wished it was at least 100 pages longer.
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I know what you mean. But I think that stems from the fact that it's Revan! I will always want more of Revan - but I think that the length was appropriate. Lean, but with some meat on it. Any more and it could have been detrimental to the story.
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Darth_Henning wrote:
I've always though it matters more "WHY" you use the power and what you use it "FOR" rather than WHICH power you use.

For example, if you use force lightening to re-power a dead generator in a crashing spaceship to save the crew, is it really a dark side power?


By that logic there is no such thing as a dark side power. Yet we know that there are such things as dark side powers.

The dark side is a part of the Force, not a categorization system which segregates behavior into "good" and "bad". You have to use that part of the Force to produce Sith lightning. Even if used for a "good" purpose it is still use of the dark side and thus incrementally corruptive.

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True, it is just an application of telekinesis, but it is applied in an aggressive, harmful manner to another being. I'd have thought that would place it in the Dark Side column, even if tapping into the Dark Side isn't required. It could be compared to using a nail gun (neutral tool) against someone's hand (not so neutral application).


We're essentially talking about two different concepts of "darksidedness" here.

One is tapping into the dark side to produce a dark side-specific Force power.

The other is being a bad person, which in a generalized context need not have anything to do with the Force, but in a Force use context is aligned with the likelihood of having "fallen".

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Debunked by the Jedi- the theory is still sound- just not to the Jedi's POV.


That's why I cited an OOU source in addition to an IU one. It is arguable that the theory has been debunked canonically, because it seems to be contradicted by OOU material about the Force which has appeared in sources such as the Annotated Screenplays.


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Arawn_Fenn wrote:
Darth_Henning wrote:
I've always though it matters more "WHY" you use the power and what you use it "FOR" rather than WHICH power you use.

For example, if you use force lightening to re-power a dead generator in a crashing spaceship to save the crew, is it really a dark side power?


By that logic there is no such thing as a dark side power. Yet we know that there are such things as dark side powers.

The dark side is a part of the Force, not a categorization system which segregates behavior into "good" and "bad". You have to use that part of the Force to produce Sith lightning. Even if used for a "good" purpose it is still use of the dark side and thus incrementally corruptive.

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Debunked by the Jedi- the theory is still sound- just not to the Jedi's POV.


That's why I mentioned an OOU source in addition to an IU one. The theory has been debunked canonically, because it is contradicted by OOU material about the Force which has appeared in sources such as the Annotated Screenplays.


See but even powers like Lightning have a light side equivalent. Luke himself has used green lightning, the light-side version of it. Its all about how its used.
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See but even powers like Lightning have a light side equivalent. Luke himself has used green lightning, the light-side version of it. Its all about how its used.


That's why I specifically called it "Sith lightning". Green lightning does not exist in the films, because Lucas sees lightning as a Sith-exclusive power ( AOTC commentary ). Green lightning is promoted by EU authors who believe that every dark side power must have a light side equivalent. However, even assuming that the green lightning power exists, it is still a different power from Sith lightning and is color-coded as such. Thus, it's not all about how Sith lightning is used. No matter how the Sith version is used, one must be intentionally using the dark side to create it in the first place.

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I'm sure Anakin convinced himself that becoming a Sith in order to save Padme was a really good thing to do. Along with overthrowing Palpatine and ruling the galaxy the way he and Padme wanted it to be.


This is a message of ROTS and the OT. It is similar to what is said in LOTR about the Ring.
"It will corrupt and destroy anyone who wears it."


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There is also a light side power known as Droid disable, it looks alot like lightning but it isn't.


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Drew Karpyshyn did a Revan interview and I thought this question was pretty interesting...

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11. Who is your favorite writer other than yourself, star wars or otherwise?

I have a lot of authors that I enjoy: Stephen King, Guy Gavriel Kay, Neil Gaiman, George R. R. Martin… it’s really hard to pick just one. I really enjoy Timothy Zahn’s Star Wars works, and I loved Shatterpoint by Matthew Stover.

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Nice! Any insights on where Drew is going with Revan?


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I don't know that there's anywhere left to go with Revan. Isn't his fate determined by TOR content at this point?

One of the interview questions makes the interviewer seem a bit uninformed:
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You didn’t write the story for KoToR II yet you chose to include the Exile in the “Revan” novel. Many people felt the story in Kotor II wasn’t nearly as strong, any specific reason you brought him along for the ride?


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Got my delivery from Amazon today. This and deceived. Starting it now
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Up to chapter 5 and am enjoying it. I love the Lord Scourge character. Will definately read the book about him. Some great early action sequences and recognise some of the characters already. Revan is fast shaping up as one of my fav SW novels ever
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