The Continuity Discussion

Knight Joined: 08 Apr 2011 Posts: 300

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Ugh, I'd love to talk about Mortis, but haven't finished Apocalypse yet. Even without reading it, I figure that it takes a poop on EU since what we had previously known about Abeloth has nothing to do with what we were shown in Mortis.

PS. I went ahead and read what you wrote MJS, and if that is the case that is absolutely unforgivable! The whole point of Anakin is that he's the Chosen One who brings balance to the Force. Anything to suggest otherwise critically violates G-canon (as dumb as it may be otherwise, that is the one thing I agree with.
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I think the problem is that Fate of the Jedi wasn't fully plotted out from the beginning. They didn't know who Abeloth was at the beginning, and so were just coming up with ideas as they wrote. As a result, even good ideas didn't necessarily link up neatly with the previous books.

I actually thought Apocalypse did it in a really cool way. But it was very sudden. No one could predict the explanation in Apocalypse from the info given in books 1-8.

It's good that they're leaning away from nine-book stories for the time being. In The EU Review and SW: Beyond the Films, Nathan Butler always compared the early books of FOTJ with Babylon 5 (which I'm rewatching now; excellent show), in that arcs were laid out early, the story built and climaxed in the end of the middle part, and then the end was tying up the various loose ends. FOTJ did seem like that early on (introducing Jacen's journey, the Lost Tribe, Abeloth, and then building the conflicts), but I think the comparison to B5 fell away by the end, as by the end, you get just multiple conflicts all at the same time, all ending together in Apocalypse.
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FotJ shouldn't have been. I think everyone knows from Storytelling 101 that you shouldn't start without at least a basic plot (beginning, middle, end). Improv very rarely works and it seems very unprofesional (and unfair to fans, especialy since they sold this experiment exclusively in hardcover).

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I agree that the OT did portray a straight-forward Good vs. Evil story, but it never said that it was about the Light Side defeating the Dark Side. It said that there is a dark side of the Force, and didn't even actually say that there was a light side. It brings about a pretty simple and obvious contradiction: How can the Force be good if it is also bad?

Sure GL could have not addressed that, but the whole idea of Anakin's redemption is that there is more to it than just good and bad.

In SW people have free will and so they can choose to defy the will of the Force and to do evil things, that's where the Dark Side comes from. The Jedi are needed to amplify the Light side because the Force is already out of whack from the mere existence of the Dark Side. In that way the Force is balanced. With the Sith amplifying the Dark Side then the Force is almost totally Dark. The Chosen One defeats the Sith to bring balance to the Force, that's what the Prophecy means, not that there will be an equal number of Sith and Jedi, or Dark Side and Light Side.
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It should also be noted, that they never did say in the movies exactly what bringing balance to the force meant. The Jedi assumed it meant the destruction of the Sith and Dark Side users, but that theory was blown before the Prequels were even made in relation to the EU. Dark Empire, with the Emperor Reborn, did that.

Good point. And while Palpatine was the only true Sith Lord, Luke battled at least a dozen Dark Side users that were as powerful as Jedi up until NJO. And if you count the Lost Tribe then there were 10,000 Sith in the galaxy the whole freakin time and they might have even outnumbered the total members of the Jedi pre-Clone Wars.

That's hard to reconcile and you can't really blame George for that. That might be where the whole equal sides idea comes into play.

I guess you can interpret the Prophecy to mean that the Jedi would be restored, even if the Chosen One was the one that wiped them out in the first place. It's ironic, but it's not much for a morality tale, is it?
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None of that Chosen One stuff bothers me. It can simply be said that the Chosen One had a destiny to bring balance. He might have had numerous options to achieve that destiny.

For example, if Anakin did take the place of The Father, then Abeloth would have stayed contained, and Palpatine may never have become Emperor. The Sith would've been uncovered and defeated in some other way, and balance remains.
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It was the year of rebirth… the year of great sadness… the year of pain… and the year of joy.
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The year is 2261.
The place: Babylon 5.

Dang dude, Legacy Of The Farce was your intro the EU? It's amazing that you're still on board.

PS. I forgot about Darth Plagueis that says Palpatine is the one who unbalances the Force, so yeah, it can't be any more clear than that. Balance the Force, defeat Palpatine. Reading old posts, someone pointed out that "balancing the force means balancing the force, not the number of people who are using the force. that doesn't effect the force itself." good point and I think that explains why you can still have Sith and Darksiders and not have it go against the Prophecy.

I went back and read a summery of Mortis and I think that conforms to what I originally said, just going on the show, not whatever they say in FOTJ. The Dark and Light sides, Son and Daughter, are at war with each other and they betray the will of the Unifying Force, the Father. Anakin's role as the father is to bring balance to the Force, not by using both the Dark and Light side's equally, but to follow the will of the Force. It shows how the galaxy has become unbalanced with the Dark side and how Anakin will betray the will of the Force and also turn to the Dark, but also that he is the Chosen One and will fulfill the Prophecy. I don't see the problem there that other people are seeing.

and if Anakin's refusal to accept his destiny at that time is what caused Abeloth to do whatever she did, then that still shouldn't have any effect on the Prophecy. I'm sure that it's pretty much obvious that it was the will of the Force for Luke and Leia to be born and deal with all the problems in the future, even if Anakin and padme defied it because the Force acts to "auto correct".
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I'm ok with it in some ways. I know many folks have a favorite character that they absolutely refuse to believe died

Plus, who says you have to accept everything that the writers did or said?
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