Big Reveal

And it's so much more clear too! Vile, if you're really worried that the Blu-Ray won't do much to improve the picture, just wait for some of us to get it in September. We'll tell you if it's an amazing difference or not.

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the buzz droids killed all the excitement of that scene for me

ugh

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Definately not the same scene. Look at the position of Qui-Gon's head and Obi Wan's left arm, different positions.

Master Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Posts: 1796 Location: Carcosa

I didn't spend the time to get identical frames (it was a bit of a rush job), but I can. I'm going to post three full resolution images, one from the DVD, one from the SpikeHD, and one from the blu-ray trailer (which is in 1080p). Here's a link to the 1080p one from the blu-ray trailer:

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/3338/1080p.png

I need to find my DVD copy and transfer the SpikeHD recording.

Also, I had provided a second link with regard to 35mm film resolution, but you can google it and find plenty of elaboration and corroboration if necessary. Wiki "high definition video" and that entry explains how film resolution is higher than the two HD resolutions of 1280x720 and 1920x1080.

Edit: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/4258801 Here's a Popular Mechanics article about it. TPM DVD screenshot forthcoming... it's difficult to match the frame because the trailer isn't the film, so I can't go by the time on the video. That's why I didn't try with the earlier two pictures.

Edit 2: I think I have it....
DVD:

HDTV:

Blu-ray Trailer:

Clicking the image takes you to the full sized image. Which in the case of the DVD version is what is already posted. I was having difficulty getting the DVD synced up on the proper frame from the earlier blu-ray screenshot.

Edit 3: I've added in another HD image from HDTV broadcast versions. As with the blu-ray trailer one, clicking the image takes you to a full size version. But even in the 640x480 resizes I did for the thread, you can see that the HDTV version is much sharper than the DVD version, but it has the same coloring, which is distinctly different than the coloring in the blu-ray trailer. Qui-Gon's lightsaber is noticeably different in color.

Master Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Posts: 1796 Location: Carcosa

Having done some more research into this as well as the 2004 DVD releases, it seems that the issue with the color palette on the DVD release could very well continue to be an issue on the blu-ray, as it seems that George Lucas personally oversaw the remastering process that the DVD used -- and it seems that the blu-rays are using them unless otherwise stated. The blu-ray trailer does depict the same messed up lightsabers in Return of the Jedi that the DVD had. Here's a rush job getting captures of how it looks in the BD trailer, and how it SHOULD look from the original release (hidden behind spoiler because it breaks the frame and I'm too lazy to resize):

Click here to see the hidden message (It might contain spoilers)

If the video is properly mastered from the source, the black "slug" on the Emperor should be removed as well. It's my understanding -- and I didn't personally see it -- that it simply wasn't present in the original theatrical release of Return of the Jedi as it was matted to the coloration of the film, and the conversion to home video is what resulted in its appearance.

As for the remastering of The Phantom Menace, it was necessary to insert digital Yoda.

Edit: It seems that the remastering done for the 2004 DVD release actually does improve colors quite a bit, but the process itself is the cause of the lightsaber gaffes and some weird coloring in scenes where it isn't appropriate.

Master Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Posts: 1796 Location: Carcosa

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/3768/the_top_20_films_unreleased_on_blu_ray_part_iv/index2.html

According to this article, Lowry Digital is remastering the original trilogy for the blu-ray release. I've also found a claim that the video on the blu-ray trailer is not indicative of the final video on the blu-rays, as they have not been encoded yet.

I'm wondering if the color grading on The Phantom Menace clips is a result of the film having been remastered for its 3D conversion, and that master is being used for the blu-ray, hence allowing its usage for the trailer.

So we could get great transfers for the blu-rays after all.

I don't have a blu ray player but I will be buying this when it comes out. So I will have the OT on video from when they were first released, The 97 special editions on DVD, The gold box set of the OT on dvd, The origianl cinema sceening on dvd and then The Blu-Ray version.
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Master Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Posts: 1796 Location: Carcosa

It's now believed that there's a new master -- at least for Episode IV -- based on the footage shown at comic con and the screenshots here:

http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/index.php/2011/07/21/comic-con-2011-the-rebel-experience/

Namely, you can actually see the stars -- black crush is eliminated.

Compared to the DVD:

And you can't just turn the brightness up on this to see the stars (or rather, turn the contrast up); the source itself is that dark, and so stuff that should be there but is too dark to see is lost. This was an issue with the DVD but definitely appears corrected with the blu-ray.

StarWars.com also has a teaser trailer for the deleted scenes which is pretty cool:
http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001267.html
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