Reboots

True. I should have said all or part of... Smile

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Master Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 1410

What I'd like to see is DNT and LOTF turned into Infinity stories and a start over from the end of NJO. And this time they could get it right. Like not have Jacen turn into the lamest Sith lord ever. Very Happy

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So they could turn him into the coolest Sith Lord ever this time? Twisted Evil

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Master Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 1410

Yeah...no. LOL

I'm not sure what I'd do if I were in charge of a reboot but I can tell you one thing that wouldn't happen -- no bug-hugging. Very Happy

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Aw, you weren't feeling the bug love nest? Wink

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Is it bad to admit I quite enjoyed Dark Nest... Embarassed

I do admit that when I read how Jaina and company had become Joiners I did think to myself; "How could they have been so stupid not to notice the change in themselves being Jedi and all", but mostly I enjoyed the story.

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Knight Joined: 08 Apr 2011 Posts: 300

I enjoyed Dark Nest as well. There were parts of it I questioned but overall enjoyed it.

As for the how could they not notice the change in themselves question, I put it on the subtle influences as one becomes a Joiner. Considering they never had someone willing break away from being a Joiner without great outside influences, I say the bugs had powerful control over their joiners.

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Dark Nest suffers as the follow-up to The Unifying Force. That it pretty much ignored a lot of the hooks that Luceno put in it or handwaved them away (e.g., Luke's infirmity due to the venom of the Scepter of Power, Luke's declaration that the Jedi wouldn't be galaxy police, the purpose behind Jacen's sojourn and his characterization) didn't help itself in that regard.

I found some of what it did interesting. I thought JINO was an interesting character, but it shouldn't have been JINO, it should have been a new or different character that would actually fit the personality. Obviously that's problematic if you want Darth Caedus to be a Skywalker descendant, but I don't understand the need there. If repeating mistakes is important, why not use Kyp? He was originally intended by KJA to be more powerful than Luke, so he has at least a sense of pedigree, and he's already had a brush with the Sith. What JINO was already fits his personality as depicted in the New Jedi Order.

Plus it solves the problem of all these secondary characters sitting on their hands when they're equally capable as the Skywalker-Solos. Where has Kyp been? And it's believable that Luke would hold Kyp in a similar position of trust and consider him as a peer as he does JINO. It just makes sense, because it allows the story decision that Legacy of the Force took to remain in place, while respecting the New Jedi Order series and its characterizations and remaining consistent with them. And it would solve, or at least alleviate, one of the two big problems the post-NJO has had.

Master Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 1410

The direction everything has taken lately doesn't bother me. I figure it's their story, and I enjoy it enough to keep buying. That's as positive a review as I can give.

I'm sure someone else has said this already, but my concern is that if you would reboot the series, not much would change. Fans' favourite parts of the EU would still be preserved, so you'd still get Thrawn, you'd still get a revived Fett, etc.

Furthermore, you're limited in what you can reboot. Either you'd have to reboot the ENTIRE saga (films included), or reboot just the post-ROTJ EU. I'd be concerned that it would be difficult to reboot the prequel-era EU, since those stories still have to build to the Rise of the Empire and its subsequent Fall. And, let's be honest, the prequel era has just as many controversial (read: deeply hated by some, though not me) plotlines.

And I think Star Wars is something that would be difficult to reboot anyways. It's not like a typical comic series. I've been reading the Ultimate Marvel comics lately (Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-Men, Ultimate Fantastic Four, and The Ultimates mostly) and I can see the appeal of rebooting like that. The origin stories of many of these characters were told as early as the 1930s and 1940s. They have half a century of continuity behind them, yet the characters have aged maybe 10 years. It makes for good storytelling to re-tell their origins and start with blank slates in modern times (where Peter Parker is not a freelance photographer, but a webmaster). That would be incredibly difficult to replicate in Star Wars; the entire prequel trilogy is Vader's "origin story", and updating for modern times is moot when it all happens "a long time ago in a Galaxy far, far away". Star Trek did it right; you changed the origin story of the main characters (Kirk's loss of his father, growing up a "genius-level repeat offender," Spock's loss of his home and mother, etc.) and it was, in a way, modernized (in that the way the ship and the planets look more closely resembles a modern view of the future, instead of a 1960s look at the future).

All that rambling to say, I believe that a reboot of any kind is a) unwarranted, and b) difficult, if not impossible, to implement properly.
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Master Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 1410

You wouldn't have to reboot the movies. You could reboot from ROTJ onward. As for a reboot being impossible, well, it's already been successfully accomplished with the Star Trek movie. I favor this kind of reboot because it does not wipe out anything from the other reality. It just establishes a different reality. Having been an original Star Trek fan from the beginning, I love the reboot that was done. It's completely revitalized the original story and main characters, and it hasn't done anything for my love of the old series. The same thing could happen for Star Wars.
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Knight Joined: 08 Apr 2011 Posts: 300

That I could almost get behind. A major change like those that would prevent the re-telling of similar stories. The way many seem to talk about a possible reboot, leave me think that they want the same characters to act the same way in different circumstances or even the same circumstances but with different outcomes. One person suggested retelling the Thrawn Trilogy but with Thrawn surviving at the end. While would be a big change for stories taking place after that, those three books would have to be almost the same for it to work.

I'd even add another big change to Taral's list.

Mara kills Luke Skywalker shortly after Endor, leaving no Jedi. And instead of the Jedi Order being rebuilt, we have a lot of little Force groups popping up as people teach themselves how to use it.

lol could you imagine several separate series?

Amazing Star Wars
Spectacular Star Wars
Ultimate Star Wars
Uncanny Star Wars
Astonishing Star Wars
Incredible Star Wars

Star Wars: Noir
Star Wars: 2099
Star Wars: 1602

I could go on.
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