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Master Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 4434 Location: Korriban

You would think so but somehow I think that would offend the Rush Limbaugh somehow, and apparently we can't have that (layering on the sarcasm here).

I paid for my ID and I sincerely hope that when I renew it next I can just go in and have it handed to me. Its not about wanting things handed to me, its about not having to pay so that I can participate in an event that is supposed to be a guaranteed free right in this country (I don't vote currently, but I might change my mind on that someday and decide to).
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The problem with voter ID here in Minnesota was that it was passed by the Republican-controlled legislature, vetoed by the Democratic governor, and is now on the ballot as a constitutional amendment (the same thing is happening with gay marriage). It really makes it look politically motivated. I find the method of putting it on the ballot as a constitutional amendment to get around a veto to be somewhat underhanded. If the US Congress tried that everytime a President vetoed something, we'd be voting on constitutional amendments all the time - it's a waste of time and money that could be spent on other things.
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Mitt was a moderate (while he was governor of Massachusetts) before he took up a more conservative stance. Now he seems to be swinging back to moderate. I think the polls before the first debate rattled him so he started up with the moderate speak. It isn't filling me with a lot of confidence about what exactly he would do as president.
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Wow! http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82313.html. More debates like this and Republicans actually have a decent chance at winning!

It is exceedingly obvious that Biden was told to be "tough" after Obama slept through his debate, but my goodness did he go over the edge. Its sad that when politicians have nothing to run on, they resort to cheap and condescending behavior with no substance. It has become quite clear that this administration cannot debate Smile

- its embarrassing to watch. Let them keep shooting themselves in the foot though.

And I love Biden on his faith and abortion - he thinks its wrong to abort, but he supports it anyways. That is like an abolitionist who "personally" finds slavery disgusting, yet wholeheartedly supports it publicly and with legislation. If Biden can compromise his self-claimed values that easily, then why trust him on anything else?

EDIT: Oh ya, and Ryan on Obama's plan was priceless. Obama has no plan - he only has a speech!

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Yeah, I felt that the worst point from anyone in the debate was Biden on abortion. His personal belief is that abortion is wrong, but he won't enforce that belief on other people. I assume his personal belief is also that murder is wrong, but hey, if everyone doesn't feel that way, no reason to impose his belief on others! If you believe something, stick to it enough to run on that platform. If you can't run on that platform, you don't really believe it.

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[I incorporated my point below]

Knight Joined: 12 Apr 2011 Posts: 386 Location: Canada

I, too, thought Biden's reply on abortion was really good. To me it makes sense that you can have certain religious beliefs, but know when to draw the line with legislation, ie. not mixing politics and religion.

Personally I thought both individuals did well in the debate. Biden had a strong presence and some good replies to Ryan's answers. Ryan also came off as a very good public speaker. His answers did feel quite as rehearsed as some of Biden's (there were a couple times when Biden stumbled and it felt like he was trying to remember the wording of his pre-planned answer).

I browsed over some of the fact checking on the debate, and as expected, everyone more or less just picked stats they liked regardless of their validity.

I know the news commented a bit on Biden smiling so much, and while that was a bit odd early in the debate, it wasn't that bad later on. I though Biden noticeably improved as the debate went on. I didn't like his interruptions, though.

And the moderator did a great job. Much better than the guy in the first presidential debate.
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Imposing your religious beliefs into politics is what the Taliban do. I fully support the separation of Church and State. As a politician, you should base your vote and your policy on an issue on what the majority wants. That's what you're elected to do and that's what democracy is.
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(note: I am only discussing abortion from the standpoint of politics and legislation, not whether it is right or wrong. We seem to have stayed on topic quite well thus far.)

I've never heard Pelosi or Obama say the reasons for their policies are faith based. I suppose that might go back to that whole Reverend Wright deal, but typically Obama doesn't mention his religion (unless it seems like it's something that will score him a few points with the attending audience).
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