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  Dog-Poop_Walker
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Would it be acceptable if Luke was turned into a full blown villain in Dark Empire and Leia killed him at the end?

I've asked that quite a few times and no one's given an answer.


First of all Luke is the hero of the movie series and even now he's still the hero of the Star Wars novels, so killing him is not the same as killing Jacen. Killing Jacen is the same as killing Chewbacca, Ben Kenobi and Yoda.

The biggest difference is that if you killed Luke in Dark Empire then you couldn't have any more Star Wars stories. Now that we've had 20 years of the EU stories that fleshed out other characters, we know people would buy Star Wars books without Luke Skywalker. I don't think they would have in 1992.

I'd argue that the circumstances are different too. Luke turned to the dark side because he felt it was the only way for him to defeat Palpatine. Jacen turned to the dark side for similar altruistic, although less concrete, reasons of saving the galaxy, but he wasn't corrupted in the same way as Luke. Jacen choose to become a Sith because he believed there was no difference between the light and dark sides.

That's the big difference, in terms of character reactions. Luke was a Jedi that turned to the dark side and was redeemed. Kyp was a Jedi that turned to the dark side and was redeemed. Jacen became a Sith, which is tantamount to forsaking the Jedi and in their minds cannot be redeemed. Sith must be exterminated.

Of course that has been thrown out in FOTJ and I totally agree that LOTF ruined the proceeding stories. Based upon Jacen's character in NJO it was consistent to have him turn to the dark side the way that he did at the beginning of LOTF, but then he just became a villain and betrayed his own character and the ret-con of it in FOTJ is a true shame and a waste of that character.

By having Jacen turn to the dark side the only two choices they had were for him to be redeemed or to be killed. At least his death showed a consequence to actions that while ultimately pointless, I feel was less pointless and a cop-out than the alternative.


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My least favorite EU novels have been the Thrawn trilogy and LS&SoM.


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I say this with no ill intent, but I do believe you've just estranged yourself to the entire board. That is...a most interesting opinion. Confused
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BURN HIM-I mean, please share with us why you feel that way.
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I...man, you just kinda blew my mind. I know people who say they kind of enjoyed the Thrawn trilogy but its after that they stopped reading and consider the EU a disaster. The Thrawn trilogy, however, is almost always enjoyed at least a little. More will be needed from you, details man details.
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Shocked

That's all I have to say.
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Ruhk Orikan, you named yourself after the Noghri who killed Thrawn. How so, then, is it your least favorite?
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What?! Why o'why? Not like The Thrawn trilogy?!

Thrawn is the #1 Best Imperial Commander EVER!!!!!!

THRAWN Lives!!!!


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I got the screen name off of a name generator.

I didn't like the writing style of Thrawn, it was rather dry, not to mention that I am a rather hardcore Sith fan. I don't like space battles, and I found Thrawn's "logic" rather silly.

As for the other book I mentioned, I'm not a Stover fan (except for the RotS novel) either in SW or Magic: The Gathering. Again, I do not care for his writing style, and if I do not like a writing style, I cannot enjoy the story.


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Interesting opinion, though I find Zahn's writing style to be very clever, as his books are written in such a way that the suspense and drama builds at the end of each chapter so that you HAVE to keep reading so you know what happens next. It's quite a tease, but really quite enjoyable.

Interesting, but hey we all have our tastes!


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I'll concede that the writing style was a little dry.
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What luck that you like Sith though, they're pretty much the only consistent bad guys these days!
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[I found Thrawn's "logic" rather silly. Ruhk Oirkan]

Why is Thrawn's logic silly. Is it his being able to analyze art and understand the philisophy/psychology of any species? His ability to out maneuver his opponents by preparing for ever possible outcome that he can? His ability to outwit his opponents without the aid of the Force (which makes him very, very brilliant!!)

Was it his military logic? The fact that he accepted that troops die in battle but, he did not wish to waste their lives. The fact that he used the ideas by other members of his staff? The fact that he chose to use all circumstances as an opportunity to teach Pellaeon?

So...?
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I know they're not novels, and have since been purged from SW altogether, but Glove of Darth Vader and the books in that "series", when I read them, were the worst books I'd ever read. I was ten and thought they were total crap. So every book I've read since then look like gems in comparison with those books.
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SidiousThrawn wrote:
[I found Thrawn's "logic" rather silly. Ruhk Oirkan]

Why is Thrawn's logic silly. Is it his being able to analyze art and understand the philisophy/psychology of any species? His ability to out maneuver his opponents by preparing for ever possible outcome that he can? His ability to outwit his opponents without the aid of the Force (which makes him very, very brilliant!!)

Was it his military logic? The fact that he accepted that troops die in battle but, he did not wish to waste their lives. The fact that he used the ideas by other members of his staff? The fact that he chose to use all circumstances as an opportunity to teach Pellaeon?

So...?
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Sorry folks, been spending more time on a Magic: The Gathering forum.

The art part is what I find silly.

As for the military stuff, I was Army (just gt out after 6 years) so I can appreciate his strategy.

I had also forgotten to add Knight Errant to the list.


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