Homosexuality

I think I'll stick with my pride example. I'm not sure I completely see how the psychopath comparison doesn't work (I wasn't comparing the effects of murder and homosexuality on society, but what is often their cause), but the pride example is sure to ruffle less feathers.

So for me, pride is part of my "identity". For me to fight against my pride, I have to go against my very nature. It isn't as easy as Corellias Dream's example of telling a single lie, it's a constant struggle.

I apologize if anyone is getting tired of religion being brought into the debate (though, really, is there a debate on this subject apart from religion?), but Christianity teaches its followers to go against their nature because it is inherently flawed. Regarding "hate the sin, love the sinner", it also teaches to "love your neighbour as yourself", but how do I love myself? There are some aspects of myself that I really dislike, but I still take care of myself. If you're wondering how you can forgive someone who continually screws up, look at yourself. I've been forgiving myself all my life.
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Knight Joined: 03 Apr 2012 Posts: 103 Location: UK

I think some people can be averse to homosexuality for reasons other than their religious beliefs. It could be that they find it 'unnatural' because they aren't inclined that way and can't understand why others are - some people fear what is different. They could have learnt intolerance from peers/family. Some people may have underlying homosexual tendancies that they cannot accept, so they attack homosexuals in order to distance themselves and try to convince themselves that they are not 'that way'.

Alright, time to join the party. Wink

All other arguments aside, I do have something of interest I'd like to bring up. Now this is not an attack or condemnation on anyone, but sometimes I like to let my imagination wander.

If everyone was gay, would we cease to exist? Would no one reproduce? Or would we seek scientific means to fertilize each other so we could continue as a species?
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Yeah, I should probably stick with my pride example. Especially because I'm actually speaking from experience.

@Darth Skuldren: I think it would be like in 1984. Men and women would still have sex, but it would be merely for the sake of survival. It would be viewed as a chore, like picking up litter. The population would drop dramatically as a result.
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You do know that there are both male and female homosexuals, right? and that some of them even have children, in a variety of ways, for a variety of reasons, as do heterosexuals.

In an all homosexual population, since Men and Women would not be having sex outside of reproduction (if at all) then the only thing that would change would be people not having unplanned pregnancies.

You guys act like they are a freakin alien species. Believe it or not, but they are pretty much the same as you straight people.

I find any talk about the desirability of world population reduction to be racist because if it was applied it would exclusively be targeted at non-white and poor people who lack the resources of advanced medical care, even if it was an "act of god" outside of social design.

Whenever I hear people saying that the world needs to have a population reduction they almost never consider that they themselves are part of the problem that need to be eliminated. The only fair way would be total random sterilization of the population which would be subject to corruption, or for everyone who says that we need to reduce the population voluntarily sterilize and/or euthanize themselves.

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Hilarious Funny or Die video made by former child stars about Kirk Cameron's recent comments regarding gays.

http://is.gd/1KFhKz
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Cadeus you don't seem to get that it goes both ways. You say that you don't want gay people "letting it be all of who they are or slapping me in the face with it" because that crosses your comfort level, and that's fine, you shouldn't have to be. But whether you mean to or not it creates a schism because it means that those people feel like they can't be who they want to be or express themselves in the way that they want to and that crosses their personal comfort line.

It's not about overt hatred or hostility, which no one on here seems to prescribe to, but ways that people make others feel shut down by things that we do, often unintentionally, because we fail to understand what other people are feeling. That's what I mean when I say that it goes both ways. Often we "agree to disagree" with others in hopes to maintain some sort of equality of comfort, but that doesn't really address the problem, it's more like ignoring it and hoping it will go away.

When you don't allow yourself to see other people as they want to be seen you create a block between yourself and that person. You might say, "we're just two different people" and not see that as a negative thing. In the small scale it's not, but in the large scale it's called "othering". Reducing another person to an "other" that is not like ourselves makes it harder for us to empathize with them because we feel like we don't share a common experience. From there is it only a short step to the way that those people who are othered become marginalized and pushed out of the conversation from the dominant viewpoint that they are not a part of.

They feel like they don't matter because they aren't considered and that leads to the continuation of oppression.

You feel like you are not being treated fairly because people, in this case myself, are making a generalization about how you supposedly feel based on your religion. Now consider that is how homosexual people feel in response to most of the comments on here. (and just because they may or may not be here reading them doesn't mean that they don't encounter the same ideas elsewhere.)

Everyone does it because that is how we are socialized to deal with people, even people on our "level". It takes an intentional effort to do otherwise. I'm not trying to make people on here feel bad for the way they think or believe, I just want them to consider seeing things from other people's perspective's that they might not have been.

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