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I'm hoping for...

A.) Palpatine is Rey's grandfather

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B.) Rey's parents are nobodies

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C.) Rey came out of the blue egg in Poe Dameron #1
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Cool.
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^ That is interesting. I've noticed that figure in Anakin's room before, but I never made the connection that it might be Maz Kanata. I was always more focused on the thing hanging up on the wall that looks just like a ball scoop.





It would be nice to see a connection with the PT, even if an extremely minor one.

On a somewhat related note... I've complained a lot about TFA and I think my complaints are justified, but one thing I actually really liked about TFA is the number of mysteries it presents. Who is Rey, who is Snoke, what is Luke going to do in the next episode etc. I got into Star Wars shortly before RotS came in theatres and never experienced any real speculation regarding the films, so this is fun. Smile
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Strange thing for an actor to say about his character if the very next movie is supposed to reveal him as a biological father.

It doesn't add up. And I can't imagine them taking the diversion and misinformation campaign THAT far.

This worries me.
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Reepicheep wrote:
one thing I actually really liked about TFA is the number of mysteries it presents.


That's the thing I hated most! We aren't just speculating on what is going to happen, they purposely withheld information from the audience to generate anticipation. Typical Abrams, setting up mysteries in place of a plot because he knows that it's not on him to deliver them. He gets to walk away and leave that up to someone else.

Remember in A New Hope where we spent the whole movie trying to guess who Luke Skywalker's father was? Surprise relatives worked in the OT because we didn't see it coming. And now it's a way played out trope. I guess that's why they teased it instead of trying to act like that wasn't the idea, because we'd see it coming a mile away. Or they could think up an original idea instead...
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@DarthMRN: I saw that a while back. I read it as J. J. Abrams isn't against the idea of Luke being gay in principle. If he said anything else he would get eviscerated by the media and labelled a "homophobe". Anyway, Luke can't be gay because he had the hots for his sister. Razz

@Dog: I suppose that's fair. I just remember hearing that there was speculation between films during the OT era. We never saw the Emperor was until RotJ. We didn't know who the "other hope" Yoda mentioned was (and apparently neither did Lucas Razz ). And of course the PT had it because it was connecting all the dots. Even if I'm not thrilled right now about the direction Star Wars has been taken, I'm glad I can finally be part of the speculation.
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I didn't read that as him being put on the spot and asked about Luke, but as him taking a comment by JJ and emails being sent to him and volunteering info. In which case he is either confirming that there was no wife or biological daughter, or using this supposed support of a troubled minority as part of a Mystery Box PR campaign.

I doubt he would dare do the latter. Nor Disney.

Hell, even if he was put on the spot there would be no need to reference Luke, whose Leia antics should speak for themselves.


Put another way, if it turns out Luke is Rey's dad, this would make Mark look real bad in hindsight on a quite sensitive topic. And he'd take the entire Disney marketing machine with him if it turned out it was all misdirection, and they made this particular topic part of it in the guise of support.


They have basically trapped themselves to a point where I can only assume Luke isn't the dad. Cause the only ambiguity saving this comment is Luke living as the chaste Jedi anyway.
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You don't follow Mark Hamill, do you? He's been making all kinds of jokes about everyone being Luke's kid. He has to know, but I can see him totally saying that and having no idea. Anything he is saying is not part of any marketing strategy, it's just him joking around because he knows about all the wild rumors.

As for Luke being gay, that is also out of context. What he said is that if you want Luke to be gay in your fan canon, he can be gay. He's saying that to be nice to his fans, knowing that it will have zero impact on anything on the screen. That doesn't mean Luke can't have kids. There are a lot of gay people that have kids. Use your imagination for that one.
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Dog-Poop_Walker wrote:
You don't follow Mark Hamill, do you? He's been making all kinds of jokes about everyone being Luke's kid. He has to know, but I can see him totally saying that and having no idea. Anything he is saying is not part of any marketing strategy, it's just him joking around because he knows about all the wild rumors.

As for Luke being gay, that is also out of context. What he said is that if you want Luke to be gay in your fan canon, he can be gay. He's saying that to be nice to his fans, knowing that it will have zero impact on anything on the screen. That doesn't mean Luke can't have kids. There are a lot of gay people that have kids. Use your imagination for that one.


Can I just make you 20 twitter accounts and set you loose? It baffles me that no one seems to think like you do, that everyone seems to take everything way too seriously. You're able to see it from a marketing perspective and from the perspective of someone who is looking at a man trolling the media and fandom.

Good lord, people are really reading way too much into everything he's saying.
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This being a sensitive topic and him being a goofy, nice guy is precisely why the joke angle can't be seriously considered. And if he doesn't know about any reveal in the middle of shooting, that makes such a reveal unlikely in the first place, as VIII is the natural place for it.

And the fan canon only works if you aren't slapped in the face with proof to the contrary, but things are left ambiguous. And if they are, there can be no reveal. That is the point.
The only way for it to have zero effect on what happens onscreen is if he counts on the very fans who clearly care about the actual character and what it can say to them, engaging in alternate universe thinking where the latest movies don't matter. But if the old movies -as they were- did, why would the new ones suddenly don't?
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Caedus_16 wrote:
Good lord, people are really reading way too much into everything he's saying.

Fandom is as fandom does. Wink
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Reepicheep wrote:
Caedus_16 wrote:
Good lord, people are really reading way too much into everything he's saying.

Fandom is as fandom does. Wink


Yeah, fanatics kind of ruin a lot of things. I'm all for continuity and plot/character development but some of the obsession around a man having fun joking around is ridiculous lol.
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You guys are nuts to see any joke anywhere in Mark's statement.

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YES!!!

I found it. The video where George both implies power in the Force compensates for training and skill AND blames Vader's poor showing on his suit. Meaning Vader was weakened, and the suit was to blame. By his word, not Legends.

And how that complely tears apart any precedent for Rey beating Ren on any level.


Posted as much for ease of reference later as any sort of edification.
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DarthMRN wrote:
the fan canon only works if you aren't slapped in the face with proof to the contrary


Have you ever seen Star trek Fanfic?

You're right, it doesn't make any sense, but most people only care about fan service, not continuity. To really do both things it takes a careful balance of a skilled storyteller. yeah, right! So it doesn't happen.

But it's a good thing here, because it comes close. Hamill can appease the fans because he doesn't actually have any power to make it happen and it won't turn the thing into Harry Potter garbage.
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GUYS! Was there a limb chopped off in TFA? I don't think there was one, but maybe I'm forgetting.

There has been at least one limb chopped off in every Star Wars movie before TFA and it would be a shame to end the grand tradition. I can't believe I didn't think about this until now. Razz
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