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Time for an Empire thread!

Nothing will ever beat the original movies. Nothing not ever, never. But I do love this re-imagining of the trailer. The nostalgia and emotions are strong:

Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back - Modern Trailer
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Lol someone else does reddit besides me Wink

And yeah, I think this is probably the best Star Wars film. After watching through them all again I have to say that this one stood out the most. It really changes tactics from the original film to give everyone more to do except Luke, and even the stuff he's doing is slower but interesting.

This is also the movie that really cemented my love of Han Solo as a character. He was awesome in the first film but this is where he becomes amazing, by far my favorite part of the original trilogy.

Gonna probably rewatch this one later.
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Best of the series, hands down. The character development and dark notes are unbeatable
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Ah, yes. ESB is hard to beat - even if I did enjoy ANH a little more this time around.

Anyone else think the darkness of this film is overstated though? Sure the bad guys win, the characters go through more, and it is darker than the first film, but it's still a fun adventure film. My heart doesn't feel heavy after I watch it. Especially when people compare it to the Prequels to show how much darker the originals supposedly were. Uhh... RotS is way darker than ESB.
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It's dark compared to ANH, which was thought of as a popcorn fun. Maybe modern audiences find it cheesy, but Luke's moment of angst speaks to what it's all about. Nothing really bad happens, it's the atmosphere of malaise that permeates the film, the characters uncertainty, that makes it emotionally dark.

Ep.3 and 2 had grimdark, which is cheap, and other than the overacting of Anakin, the fact that we already knew everything that would happen sapped all tension from the films.
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EBS was my first. I'm still traumatized by Luke getting his hand cut off, hanging from a mast battered and bruised, screaming at the bad guy menacing him. I didn't catch what they were talking about, but the emotional scarring left by that imagery will never leave me.
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A remake would be pretty cool to see with all the new cgi and stuff we have these days.


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I've never understood the idea of remaking a classic film. Like... the film still exists, go watch it.
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Reepicheep wrote:
I've never understood the idea of remaking a classic film. Like... the film still exists, go watch it.


When a film is an adaptation or it is classic but severely outdated I can get the point. There are wonderful remakes, David Cronenberg's The Fly and John Carpenter's The Thing leap to mind. There have also been attempts to jump-start a remake of The Shining because while Kubrick's classic is incredible it really misses the point of the novel and a remake could be equally as decent if it adhered more to the concepts. We also have things like The Omega Man and Invasion of the Body Snatchers, there are plenty of incredible remakes of classics that justify the existence of the remake.
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^ Good points.

I can definitely see adaptations of books being an exception to the rule because most films will never completely capture what made a book great. Heck, I would like to see the first three Narnia books redone some time.

And for the most part I don't think updating effects is enough of a reason because a lot of classic films still look amazing (e.g. The Wizard of Oz, Ben Hur), but again, I can see horror sometimes justifying a remake.
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@Reep: And I agree on that to a degree, but with some things it would be a chance for a director to stretch out and try something new. Did we really need a new Batman and a solid continuity when Nolan took over? Not really, but Batman Begins was awesome and so was The Dark Knight (neither of which are remakes and yet they are new adaptations, new cracks at the story, that benefited from technological advancements in the industry). Even the newer remake of Robocop has some really solid ideas and looks like it was bogged down by a studio too scared to let it really try.

I think if it weren't for the whole "marketable over imaginitive" thing we're dealing with these days a lot of remakes could be incredible, but studios want safe instead of solid and that's what happens with these slick, high-budget remakes. I agree that we don't need them but they could be incredible if allowed to be something more than just placeholders, something a director/writer/actor team believes in. The new look and new angle for the story could be great.
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^ Well, I think it's the difference between remake and reboot. I don't mind the idea of a reboot (even if we have far too many of them at the moment), but the idea of a remake usually feels pointless to me.

I'm okay with Nolan's Batman films because he didn't set out to remake Tim Burton's movie, but to do a completely new take on a character that's a modern version of a mythical character (like how many different Greek playwrights and poets would make stories about Herakles).

It's the remakes that basically tell the same story just with different actors and updated special effects that feel pointless to me. It isn't a perfect example because it is based on a novel (though the movie was marketed more as a remake to a classic film than as an adaptation of a classic book), but a recent example would be Ben Hur. I felt like there was absolutely no reason to make that movie when the excellent 1959 version, which still looks amazing, lies within reach.

So, bringing this back to Star Wars, if at some point in the far future the current Star Wars canon has lain dormant for many years and someone wanted to do a new take on Star Wars in a completely different continuity, I wouldn't have an issue with it, but if someone were to remake the film The Empire Strikes Back, I would think "Well... we already have that movie and it's amazing. Why make it again?"
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I do agree with that honestly, I would roll my eyes at a remake.

With Ben Hur I have to say that yes, there's the 1959 classic but we're living in a culture that is pushing back more and more against classic film, considering anything older than the 80's to be not worth their time. And heaven help you if you want them to watch a black and white film.

Part of the remake culture is that some will never watch these films if they aren't remade. I think they should put more effort into the films if they're going to remake them and people are starting to ignore these remakes (Ben Hur flopped like crazy) but there's still a bit of a purpose for them.
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^ But surely making remakes is just adding to the problem? If remakes are made, people will have even less need to go watch the classics. I do see what you're saying though.
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