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  grayJeedai08
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Nothing is set. Nothing is inevitable. Jacen choose to go DS. He could have chosen another path.


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grayJeedai08 wrote:
Nothing is set. Nothing is inevitable. Jacen choose to go DS. He could have chosen another path.



See to me this is why the 5 years is CRITICAL- I didn't see him on a dark path until Betrayal. He made some dark decisions sure. But he could have still been a hero based on what happened in that journey.

Like the Vong war something so major gets swept aside.
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grayJeedai08 wrote:
Nothing is set. Nothing is inevitable. Jacen choose to go DS. He could have chosen another path.


The question is why did he choose it. He knew his grandfathers history. He would have heard about Vader. How hated he was. Yes he was feared and maybe he liked that idea?. Or maybe he felt he wouldnt make the mistakes Vader made because his motives were purer? Jacen wouldnt have known it was because of Padme but Im of the belief it wasnt that straightforward anyway.

Did he believe that the Siths outlook on the force was better then the Jedis? That it was colour rather then black and white? What did his 5 year journey uncover? We havent really seen this in FOTJ. Maybe the final book will shed some light but Im not that confident it will be done right.
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Maybe he thought the fear and the hate and all the other risks were acceptable risks in order to achieve the greater good?
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Life Is The Path wrote:
Maybe he thought the fear and the hate and all the other risks were acceptable risks in order to achieve the greater good?


I think you might be right. Jacen was a bit like Anakin in that he thought going to the DS was for the bigger picture. The greater good.
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Maybe, maybe not.


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darthrevan1 wrote:
grayJeedai08 wrote:
Nothing is set. Nothing is inevitable. Jacen choose to go DS. He could have chosen another path.


The question is why did he choose it. He knew his grandfathers history. He would have heard about Vader. How hated he was. Yes he was feared and maybe he liked that idea?. Or maybe he felt he wouldnt make the mistakes Vader made because his motives were purer? Jacen wouldnt have known it was because of Padme but Im of the belief it wasnt that straightforward anyway.

Did he believe that the Siths outlook on the force was better then the Jedis? That it was colour rather then black and white? What did his 5 year journey uncover? We havent really seen this in FOTJ. Maybe the final book will shed some light but Im not that confident it will be done right.



I guess the thing that bothers me- is did he go DS before Betrayal? I always wanted to say no, but FotJ tends to say he went during the 5 years or even before that but didn't KNOW he had till Betrayal. Heck I had seen plausible ways that he was sticking to the Light by making the choices he was making- but it needs support through the story telling- currently they leave it so alone that it makes little to no sense.
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I think Jacens actions cemented his darkside credentials so to speak in Betrayal. Too me he had darkside tendencies going back too much earlier in that series. I got hints he was heading that way in the third book. Was it called Tempest?

I could see it happening a mile off but Betrayal was the cementing of his position as a darksider. I still say he thought that he had to go to the darkside to save the galaxy but it wasnt properly explained why he thought that. I always thought that his 5 year exile was were he realised the Jedi way was incorrect and I think Abeloth is maybe a reason for it.
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Here's an issue I have. Jacen's experiences in the NJO should have left an impression upon him of the awesome power of the Force. I think it would have made more sense for Jacen to pursue a potentium theory, one of utilizing all aspects of the Force, rather than just the dark side. Everything we ever hear about the Sith is bad. In-universe it has to be common knowledge that everyone who goes to the dark side ends up doing bad things. Nothing good ever comes of it. By making Jacen think that he can be different, it just makes him seem more naive and simple minded.
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Add arrogance to that. Jacen came across in the BOTF series as being very arrogant IMO Wink
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The arrogance is what made the difference. Jacen convinced himself that he could be different from every other Sith who had ever existed because he was just that super special.
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Darth Skuldren wrote:
Here's an issue I have. Jacen's experiences in the NJO should have left an impression upon him of the awesome power of the Force. I think it would have made more sense for Jacen to pursue a potentium theory, one of utilizing all aspects of the Force, rather than just the dark side. Everything we ever hear about the Sith is bad. In-universe it has to be common knowledge that everyone who goes to the dark side ends up doing bad things. Nothing good ever comes of it. By making Jacen think that he can be different, it just makes him seem more naive and simple minded.



See I saw him that way- and that he saw something so bad that he embraced the "evil" he was to become to prevent it- but we've gotten very little to support this.
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Queen Padmè Skywalker wrote:
The arrogance is what made the difference. Jacen convinced himself that he could be different from every other Sith who had ever existed because he was just that super special.


Which I found quite funny. Most likely a lot, if not all, of Sith had been arrogant, and had thought themselves special.
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The Sith believe there way is the only way.
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darthrevan1 wrote:
The Sith believe there way is the only way.


As do the Jedi.
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