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  Mara Jade Skywalker
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Wellll...while I hope he doesn't die, they do such things, ya know. Sad as it is. Sad
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I want Raynar to live.

Please Denning, don't kill him Sad
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Darth Skuldren wrote:
I want Raynar to live.

Please Denning, don't kill him Sad


I wonder how bad Denning would feel if he knew that we saw him as the Star Wars version of the angel of death. If he doesn't actually make the big kills in this series I'll feel like such a jerk lol.
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They could pull a LOTF and have Golden or Allston do the kill, like Traviss in Sacrifice.
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Troy Denning = Grim Reaper.


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Laughing Laughing IM SCARED!!
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Reepicheep wrote:
You think Raynar's gonna die? They just brought him back, they may has well've killed him in Dark Nest if that was the case.


My personal theory was that Raynar was spared so that a)DN's ending wouldn't be as similar to already planned LotF's, with Jacen dying and b)to prepare way for Jacen's killing: "Raynar lived in similar circumstances, so letting Jacen live would be too similar, we must kill him in the last novel."

But now Jacen is dead, and the EU needs new gruesome deaths. And so the door of Raynar's cell is opened. A role as a target of Daala's propaganda campaign, and a heroic, redeeming death wait.

Personally, I don't really care about Raynar. I was rather offended the different way he - a scion of a wealthy family - and Alema - who was originally basically a child "exotic dancer" in a sleazy den - were treated in DN, and considering the way Alema and Jacen were then treated in LotF, I am tempted to show my thumbs down. Raynar shouldn't get better treatment than other normal characters - after all, he is no Ben Skywalker. Wink


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Yet if we had known what was coming for Ben, perhaps the fans could have petitioned before hand to save him from his fate. It's not too late for Raynar.
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It is if he is already written dying in Abyss. But no harm trying to help the character dodge the bullet, if one is coming for Raynar.


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Denning as the Grim Reaper. Laughing So true! I hope they don't kill off poor Raynar just for the heck of it. That particular character has taken some of the worse abuse any SW author has ever dished out, in my opinion.
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*gasp* You didn't like the Omen cover? I think it's the best of the current four. Neutral


Yikes, yet more proof I need to log in more often! To answer your comment, Mara, No, I didn't care for the Omen cover. I don't really see how Vestara merits her own cover at this point. Plus, her lightsaber looked slightly.....off. And there's simply no excuse for Luke's hair on the back cover. it makes the ANH hair look almost "hip". Very Happy
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Rouge77 wrote:
Reepicheep wrote:
You think Raynar's gonna die? They just brought him back, they may has well've killed him in Dark Nest if that was the case.


My personal theory was that Raynar was spared so that a)DN's ending wouldn't be as similar to already planned LotF's, with Jacen dying and b)to prepare way for Jacen's killing: "Raynar lived in similar circumstances, so letting Jacen live would be too similar, we must kill him in the last novel."

But now Jacen is dead, and the EU needs new gruesome deaths. And so the door of Raynar's cell is opened. A role as a target of Daala's propaganda campaign, and a heroic, redeeming death wait.


That makes sense for why they didn't kill him, but why would they kill him now?
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Okay, true, she didn't quite merit her own cover just yet. But I thought it was an awesome cover all the same. It's exactly how I picture a Dark Side Jaina. Smile

And Luke is off. I can't explain it any other way than to say that he looks a bit...wide. Very Happy
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Ok with Vestara I'm with Padme, she doesn't merit her own cover yet. Maybe later in the series. Personally I'd like to see Allana on one. Oh, and look at her belt. My friend wears the same one and she got it at Hot Topic. Apparently the Sith are the emo of the future Razz
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Reepicheep wrote:
That makes sense for why they didn't kill him, but why would they kill him now?


He has served his role when it comes to Jacen's fate, and at this point, if they think the plot needs deaths of previously established characters (instead of just creating new ones to be killed, which would have less impact) he would be a rather "safe" kill. Of course, he has supporters among fans, as EUCantina and NJOE forums show, but I don't suppose there would be any big backlash.

So, if there will be yet another mini- Jedi Purge and they have been drawing up a list of characters to kill, Raynar could be a relatively easy addition to that list as a previously established character whose removal would have little to no impact in in-universe, but would still be more emotional to readers than the death of some new character.


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