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She has no one but herself to blame for getting attacked so much. She's a public figure, she puts herself out there, and she continues to show a level of intelligence much lower then one should have in any walk of life, let alone politics. She needs to leave th public life because she just isn't cut out for it.
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loll...only the last part is frm Moore dude...
And i cud say u watch to much Hannity Rolling Eyes :D

Either ways...wat part do u not agree wid
1-The War Was not Effective?
2-The War Got America New Enemies.

Part2>>>So true.
Part1>>Debatable...


While I definitely agree with Part 2, I don't agree with Part 1. I think the war was quite effective to start with. But is it still effective? Now there's where I could debate with you. I'm not sure that we should still be there. I would have to be more informed on why we're there, what our current objectives are, and what we're accomplishing and/or losing. I'm perfectly willing to admit that I am no longer keeping up on the war, so I can't really pass judgment just yet. I'm kind of of the mind that perhaps we should have pulled out as soon as we captured Hussein, but again...I don't know the full picture. So I'd have to look into it.

As for you, Fist, I mean no ill will whatsoever. As Ben said, I can completely understand where you're coming from. If it was my country being invaded, I would probably feel the exact same way. So I'm very grateful for your viewpoint on the whole matter. Smile
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Bill Thompson wrote:
She has no one but herself to blame for getting attacked so much. She's a public figure, she puts herself out there, and she continues to show a level of intelligence much lower then one should have in any walk of life, let alone politics. She needs to leave th public life because she just isn't cut out for it.


She was John McCains freaking running mate. Of course she was a public figure, but the media attacked her in a way that they attacked NO ONE ELSE in the race. The Obamas were made to look like human perfection. I didn't hear one bad thing about them said during the election. Sasha and Malia were never attacked. All Palin's kids? ALL THE TIME. The media was purposely destroying her, and they pretty much achieved their goal. I dont see how you think she shows a low level of intelligence. Judging by her run as Governer, she is very intelligent and does things differnet then all the other stuffy politicians. She gets things done. I dont care about her Alaska comment. Obama messed up too, saying to a bunch of kids in a school that he visited all 57 states. but that wasn't covered NEARLY as much in the media as Palin's mistakes. I still think the only reason Obama won is because he gives "great speeches" according to everyone (Even though I think Palin's are much better-just look at how many times he says "um". and if you actually listen to him, his speeches are usually just a bunch of big words put together to sound important to sych the people out), all his supposed "CHANGE" crap, and, I am NOT racist, because he is African-American. The American people have never been this obsessed over a president before, and it is very wierd as well as misplaced faith. He is only brainwashing everyone because my generation is pretty much "the Lost Generation". Mostly everyone is too dumb to figure out just who they are voting for, and they dont bother to do the background research on candidates and decide to go with whats popular. While I hope Palin runs for president, she will never win. Not until America gets their heads out of their butts, and wants to try an affort at saving this crumbling country.
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Don't turn this into a liberal/conservative issue, that's the fast track to accomplishing nothing.

Palin chose to run as the vice-president, she put herself in the public eye and she suffered the consequences that go along with it. It's not fair the way public figures are treated, but they know the consequences that go along with being a public figure.

As far as her intelligence goes, let's just say this, I would trust the intelligence level of my neighbor's ferret over that of Palin. She has time and time again made erroneous statement after erroneous statement, showed a complete lack of understanding of the political realm, showcased a sadly stunted vocabulary and in general come across as a dullard, because she is one. The evidence is out there, do a search on her and all you will find is example after example of her flexing whatever muscle is in place of her brain.

I'm not taking a liberal or a conservative stance, I am neither, and I hate the entire party system and will not support anyone who is a slave to said system. However, even hardcore conservatives should be able to look at all that Palin has done and honestly admit that they made a mistake in choosing a woman that clueless about the world around her to run for vice president.
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The point I think he was trying to make was that while Michelle Obama's anti-american sounding remarks and Obama's poor rhetoric and seemingly pointless speeches (uttering the words paradigm and change over and over doesn't make you smart) recieved hardly any attention Palin's family has been attacked to the point that they all might as well change their last names to Spears and start pop music careers cause the media hounds them that pointlessly.
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Exactly.
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Wait a sec...Obama gives a nice speech...those errs seem meant to be.
Obama knows how to give a speech. Obama vs Palin as far as speeches are concerned...Obama wins easily(imo))
And Obama if i recall correctly was called a Socialist by the media at one time as well. His connections wid dictators was highlighted.

BUt i do maintain that when the Media took shots at her kids...that was just sad.(Not to mention lame)
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Actually only Fox News called him a socialist. The rest of the media joined them in labeling Hilary Clinton that way, and frankly that was right. However, I don't think that Fox should've gone that far, just as I think the rest of the media shouldn't keep taking shots at Palin. In fact the media seems more interested in crisis in families that makes them look bd than they do reporting fact that is relevant. And yes, they showed Obama more and more leniancy as his campaign went on till they've elevated him to nearly god status. And I'm really not impressed by Obama's speeches. They're distractons, stating how he plans on 'change' and how he wants to do certain things 'for the people' but he never actually states how he'll get there. And when he's asked he simply changes his subject slightly enough to avoid the actual question. Hence why we have czars now. No one would've approved that nonsense before he was elected.
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Perhaps Obama doesnt tell =how= he plans to do stuff=p
But He knows how to inspire ppl.
And yea when ur in a crisis...you need more then just fancy talk i guess.
But i stick to my statement...he knows how to deliver a speech, albeit one that doesnt tell anyone wat he actually plans to do.
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See but writing a speech thats inspiring is pointless when all it is is a pretty distraction from what's really going on. For instane his restructuring of debt. He's had to admit that he hasn't helped it at all but rather just rearranged it so that it looked better to the duped masses. And he's been praised for all he's done even though so far he hasn't done much of anything other that continue his plans to bring all the wealthy down and the poor up (which by the way, that's called what Mr. Marx?) and yeah so he hasn't done anything good so far and the people just cheer his name. He got elected because of the color of his skin and that's all, sadly we fell for that nonsense and fell for the very thing he's supposed to stand against: We elected smeone based on the color of their skin. But yes, Obama hasn't done anything good yet and will continue to do nothing good until he gets outta office...if he doesn't attempt to change the law to become our emporor or something.
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The point I think he was trying to make was that while Michelle Obama's anti-american sounding remarks and Obama's poor rhetoric and seemingly pointless speeches (uttering the words paradigm and change over and over doesn't make you smart) recieved hardly any attention Palin's family has been attacked to the point that they all might as well change their last names to Spears and start pop music careers cause the media hounds them that pointlessly.


I understood that point, but that's how the media works. Certain networks and news outlets will only go after certain people depending on said outlets party affiliations. If it were up to me I would railroad every politician working today, but the news will never work that way. The conservative outlets will attack the liberal public figures, while the liberal outlets will attack the conservative public figures.
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The problem is that its one conservative network against tons of liberal ones. News isn't supposed to be biased, its supposed to be news. I don't approve of the bias on EITHER outlet.
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Caedus_16 wrote:
The problem is that its one conservative network against tons of liberal ones. News isn't supposed to be biased, its supposed to be news. I don't approve of the bias on EITHER outlet.


I don't either, but it's there and there's nothing to be done about. The problem isn't even with the news outlets, it begins with the people. People who have indoctrinated themselves into a slave system where everyone has to be a Democrat or Republican, a conservative or a liberal. Until the day comes when more people are willing to think for themselves and we have real politicians again, who may not always say what you want to hear but actually speak for themselves and don't read from the party notes every time they talk, this is how the news will function, because they are a part of the slave system just like every conservative and liberal party member the world over.
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Amen Bill, Amen. I actually clapped a bit!
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Did anyone see the Palin interview with Oprah?
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